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« on: January 16 2013, 03:08:20 PM »
Nobody has an Elephant answer??.....Nobody  just immature comments...(that says volumes),live an learn, but not in this boards case, Explains all the posts dieing off after 2010. You all Enjoy...
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« on: January 16 2013, 12:33:55 AM »
Welp, before the New (but not new) dudes Banned by Six for discrimination/Jealousy an what ever else non-thread related you could add.... One last explanation on my Build issue while back... Since i got time to kill (my Ign. module's still in shipping) an before things go somewhere they needn't (well while i was typing this, it went there...) (buntch of JAFO's get FUBAR'ed) People have by there own desire/hardheadedness/follow there leader, have blown my posts all out of proportion... After 3 failed cam builds before due to Oil company's change in oiling/more spring pressures. in 90' ,i stored the car. I was then Rooked by Bowling Green Customs Atl,GA,2000-2004 (he kept it 4 years), I just had brang my 87GN out of storage from 10 years.90'-00' I had a fully machined,billet main,larger valve stock head. only forge trw pistons with flat tappet SP66 i want to say, motor machined by Boyde Coutenton,a highly credited NASCAR v8/v6 builder, $4200 number matching motor... BGC got me for $14,000 to assemble/install/add chip/50lbs/te-48/at 15 psi no alky...with 2 days of only street driving,,Whiped Cam ... As before when i stored the car...(found out after the fact John was using my an other's money fraudulently) I got on the phone/websites looking for Local Buick GN pro to rebuilt the motor,but go Rollor Cam.. I told Kevin at KDK what happened before,I told KDK to put Accels DFI on car... I quote Kevin ' You don't need that, With a translator an custom chip you can use the stock ECU " (Sounds Board Chat formilair don't it) So....with him being the """in mix/boards/the nationals going person"""" ,(but i wanting to loose the chips route because i wanted a upgraded Ign system,with lap top tuning i could learn later, ATR's,Eastern Perf,Conley's,then BGC's chips got old tech in my mind ).. I went "his" way,my dime, $8000..There goes the number matching motor... Other then i picked the wrong person again like BGC, because with a custom made extender chip from Eric """for my combination"""",then tuned in more by KDK,It made 533rwhp on the dyno,But lost 3/4's its power just into 3rd gear, with my 3:50 9 inch 28x10 et streets,100MPH roughly..... Cottens Perf. was having the "" Exact "" same issue on a white car they had. """ AT THAT TIME """" So much so, the tranny out of that car got shipped to FL from Cottens shop an put in My Car.""" Same issue,""". So...Now that's two Pref. shops, sameish build,Same Issue's,Same type problem,Cars Miles Apart...(Yet you all comment, Do it yourself-it was wrong,If they above couldn't tune my car,i surly couldn't,It don't mean i should sale the car..that's just an asinine statement , i don't give-up on projects, i see them through....) 3 different trys of ASC Certified Mechanic 20 years at Pontiac with his own GN an web connections,Shop/Dyno...an Eric burning all the different chips...$30,000 in all, I came to the conclusion like i did with the whiped cam's....Loose the stockish part ECM,Generic chips,Loyal stock ECU swear buy shop user an go to an XFI unit like i wanted in the first place....(this where my hardhedness comes in, If the car been done My way from the start i could of never had the problem,I'll never know,but i listened to a ****Up to Date GN pro at that time****,in 2005,because i was coming fresh out of the gate again on GN info after now 14 years .aka i'm re-born...) I have talked to 7 sec. Pros,(Which i prefer to leave nameless ,they do not need grief or BS. they been there before ),Read many many posts (Top end Spike,stock ECM,high RPM Knock) ,an I more then likely experienced "AT THAT TIME 2005ish" the same thing....No adding of anything from them could solve this.. With the XFI Unit in, Problem Solved....the Car now Pulls harder an harder way above 100mph. no drop in acceleration what so ever,No high rpm/mph knock .I heard BS3 fixed Cottens car... Now as for me doing all this work myself, I'm only a light mech. an don't have space/lifts/Dyno/special tools to perform those jobs. I'm retired mobile auto detailer of 20 years aka Master Wax on Wax off (The people I've delt with, You Have no Idea... ) My money was hard worked for an it being thrown away like it has is BS... KDK was the last straw on that for how it transpired. 3 years wasted... After that was the "TRZ" a-arms BS. I drive the car to""" there shop """,they said, "No problem,are bars will bolt right on".... After adding them at a muscle car place i found on-line 5 miles from me...The TRZ A-Arms Hit the Downpipe with there Arc's... That an the shop put " Dragrace Only ' aerospace brakes on my car after i expressly gave them the print out of Prostreet's with parking brake kit....$4400 the cars now un-driviable an i have it towed out. (I about came over both the guy's desk an made it Personal, But i reframed,if i ever snap, there #1 on the list) The car then got flatbedded to ProFab in Tampa to fix everything an add BMR ( which was next door ) a-arms front to back...I fully gave up 1/4 mileing now.....an went all Handling...It's one way or the other if you want the most out of your GN. The band-aided fix, from Lamotta's , the on there dyno Fresh build Piston pin fail , Fails , an the sleeve cracks...it was $13,000 bill from them to fix KDK's mess. But ,wound up in there mess instead,only got 2000 miles use...(Cal had issues with them later too) Now, 2012 , i took the motor to buddie mine (which happens to be the Fastest man at the street nationals, 3 years running now,not in GN though,works at machine shop) Got brand new 109 an put my internals in it...car went into paint for the first time ever Dec.11'.... Now I'm just working out some restore an 80's regal bugs,an i should be on the road.... No Machine issues,No Tune Issues,No Suspension issues,New paint body bushings....10 years time frame building,you can do the math on the cost...LOL In the End ,if you got the time/space/materials/education/trailer/tow vehicle , hell yea,do it all at your house...the cost savings only in labor though,.....add your shop/storage unit cost (if went that route),tools,parts,fluid recycling ,time out your life-non-Buick related don't come cheap. Not everyone has that "luxury" an has to outsource. Outsourcing can pay off or wreck you all depending on the place you find an there experience in Buick GN's...most shops won't even touch a GN because there to difficult..... So, the Elephant in the room is....... What's the **Maximum HP** achievable on stock/mod. factory GM ECU What's the limit,Everything has a limit in design strength/electronics programing/an the infant mortality rate. (or is this one those CIA questions...ak a you'll just have to find out on your own an die trying ...Read the entire above over slower again then ,I have died) I'm trying to Save Buick GN owners from my down falls, Experience/Too New Tech/Shop Exp. Fails/Crooks The More GN's on the road's my desire, Not ripping in to Current Owners..Especi ally original owners that have more knowledge on full ,any time of day,night or weather ,drivable Street Cars.... It's a whole lot harder building a autocross car then it is a Towed 1/4 mile car...That's why most go the drag racing route. Each have there place in my world as long as there Buick powered... Banned for the my experiences in Buick GN on Buick Board, Reminds me of a Aol romance singles room i got banned from for sexualy explicit chat.......... ...lol.... the Net for you...get all types...
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« on: January 14 2013, 05:37:32 PM »
This Car i bought in 90' after a chick totaled my 86' GN. You want Speed out these Cars with reliability it cost, Used parts cost you more in the long run if try that route.Every thing on my car has a purpose an function. My car's now totally restored less the Frame an under carriage, Which is last on my priorities since it's a Driver.The car is also totally equipped to handle what i prefur to throw at it, Less the 109 motor. Many Many Mech. have ripped me off, That's the only Serious cost expenditure i've encountered. ($50,000 in all over the last 12 years from muiltipul differant shops)
In the new member section is the Long Version of this story "Bozo in a Buick:...My goal on this car is Pure Factory Appearing GNX Ext/Int. with 9.90 et drivetrain an Supercar handling.
You could save yourself being taken advantage of, a load of heart ache, and ultimately become responsible for your own car and the work done to it, by learning to build and fix it yourself.
As someone who actively races his Buick in auto-x you are miles away from handling like any supercar in your GN. But, call me when you achieve that lofty goal.
Yea, i'm buy a dyno,make my garage a machine shop,the kitchen the building room, the bedroom the programing department.... ..Just like you own 4 wheel scales,spring rate tester,4 set's different compound tires for varying surfaces an laser alignment machine...You didn't read the Bozo in Buick story...i do the work my self now,...Even at the shop it's in now. Something's aren't a one person job.
I've read your build,My Car's set far an above your capibilities/adjustability's, It's ready to line up next to your grocery market parking lot set-up when your ready...LOL... you can Post your Skip-pad G's at any time...
You are right. Some jobs simply are too much for just one person; that is when I call up a friend. But, money can't buy those... can they, Champ?
All the parts in the World can't make up for a lack of skill. I look forward to the law suit/rant against your chosen tire company when you over drive your car into a pole or ditch; or if we are really fortunate off a cliff.
You Have No Idea on my Skills nor acquaintances ....you can parking-lot your GN to death ,it don't count for having grown up in the Car. (again read ' bozo in a Buick ' ,It's my high school car,so all those years of modifying is Why it's the way it is...this car wasn't bought last year)....I run staggered Falken r615's...there waiting to show you the backside of them...lol..yo ur skid pad G's are what? i missed it...lol (welcome to my thread, this why i stayed out of yours,your to one tracked an minded)
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« on: January 14 2013, 01:59:21 AM »
Walt tunes his. Most us tune our own...it is not exactly rocket science tho it does take some common sense....
Not science but there's a lot of trial an Errors if done totally alone vs rat packing.(Them people above been at this a Loooooong time like yourself), No cars the same,I took my car to Best Local shop for Perf. GN's with all his years of experience an own car . That was very costly..that only gave me 1/2 a car. GN's aren't rocket science,true, but there levels of Performance each has a different learning curve. (my combo out performed KDK's curve ) I've read-up ,talked on the phone,an still learning the New curves. Am i going to be the next Duttwheiler. Nope, nor do i wish to be.
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« on: January 14 2013, 01:30:44 AM »
Have you considered a SBC motor?
Not in this car,keeping it as original Buick as possible with the pieces,109,200r4,Int./Ext.,Had to do the 9" rear,nothing else would hold-up. I had 400SB .060 over half block poured,bolt-on aftermarket heads,with a 635/310 roller in all steel less the hood 73 Camaro running 10.80 street tires/full exhuast/stock suspenion before i brought this GN back out of storage in 2000. I'm after MPG an Speed now. I'm tempted to do 25-1 regal,time will tell,my plates to full at the moment.
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« on: January 14 2013, 01:15:06 AM »
This Car i bought in 90' after a chick totaled my 86' GN. You want Speed out these Cars with reliability it cost, Used parts cost you more in the long run if try that route.Every thing on my car has a purpose an function. My car's now totally restored less the Frame an under carriage, Which is last on my priorities since it's a Driver.The car is also totally equipped to handle what i prefur to throw at it, Less the 109 motor. Many Many Mech. have ripped me off, That's the only Serious cost expenditure i've encountered. ($50,000 in all over the last 12 years from muiltipul differant shops)
In the new member section is the Long Version of this story "Bozo in a Buick:...My goal on this car is Pure Factory Appearing GNX Ext/Int. with 9.90 et drivetrain an Supercar handling.
You could save yourself being taken advantage of, a load of heart ache, and ultimately become responsible for your own car and the work done to it, by learning to build and fix it yourself.
As someone who actively races his Buick in auto-x you are miles away from handling like any supercar in your GN. But, call me when you achieve that lofty goal.
Yea, i'm buy a dyno,make my garage a machine shop,the kitchen the building room, the bedroom the programing department.... ..Just like you own 4 wheel scales,spring rate tester,4 set's different compound tires for varying surfaces an laser alignment machine...You didn't read the Bozo in Buick story...i do the work my self now,...Even at the shop it's in now. Something's aren't a one person job. I've read your build,My Car's set far an above your capibilities/adjustability's, It's ready to line up next to your grocery market parking lot set-up when your ready...LOL... you can Post your Skip-pad G's at any time...
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« on: January 13 2013, 04:36:36 PM »
2011 Midwest Buick Challenge TSM finals
Walt has been 9.30's on a stock ecm and normally runs 9.50s in TSM on a stock ecm. He has not sued anyone.
There are way more cars running in the tens on stock ecms than there are running any aftermarket fuel management system.
Most would agree that it is easier to run a RACE car in the Nines on an aftermarket system because of the flexibility of tuning as well as the speed of the computer.
Who's tuning them??? Those are pro classes too,Most the people that like to drive there GN's instead of tow them around ain't that profisant to tune beyond the chips tune. Did the racer Give the tuner person the entier car with free rain to add the best combontion a $8000 budget at that time could have? Then allow the same person on my dime to totaly rebuilt/re-tune 2 more 1/2 track gernades to solve the first problems? no, They built there car an had an had the motor built an it tuned professonily just like everyone else.I went to one shop for everything an got took. Ain't nobody sueing anyone when there muiltipul people involed in the build,it's scape goat city then. I'm now running into stock Ign. modual issues. Stock's great for Stock car..
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« on: January 13 2013, 04:18:54 PM »
Yeah, no kidding. Nothing like spending tonnes of money on stuff you don't need, to try to impress a bunch of people you don't know. 
Either this guy has really deep pockets, or one serious line of credit.
It's other peoples pockets. He took a brand new engine knowing ran it lean, blew it up and then stayed in it. Then sued the engine builder (that built him a race engine) for fraud and got $30K.
Now he's got other guys on the ropes trying to figure out how to make a street legal racecar idiot proof.
This guy takes checkbook hotrodding to the next level.
Just Burns your Hide don't it...lol...Ain't nobody on the ropes if i got what i paid for. Me having to go over an Fix other peoples payed work don't cut-it in my World. (you only know what i've typed, You know nothing about me or my GN) I don't work for free Either.... Expensive
Yeah, no kidding. Nothing like spending tonnes of money on stuff you don't need, to try to impress a bunch of people you don't know.
Either this guy has really deep pockets, or one serious line of credit.
This Car i bought in 90' after a chick totaled my 86' GN. You want Speed out these Cars with reliability it cost, Used parts cost you more in the long run if try that route.Every thing on my car has a purpose an function. My car's now totally restored less the Frame an under carriage, Which is last on my priorities since it's a Driver.The car is also totally equipped to handle what i prefur to throw at it, Less the 109 motor. Many Many Mech. have ripped me off, That's the only Serious cost expenditure i've encountered. ($50,000 in all over the last 12 years from muiltipul differant shops) In the new member section is the Long Version of this story "Bozo in a Buick:...My goal on this car is Pure Factory Appearing GNX Ext/Int. with 9.90 et drivetrain an Supercar handling.
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« on: January 13 2013, 02:18:46 AM »
Yes, for my combonation, Aftermarket ECU with pro Tune runs better -vs- Stock ECU/Translator Plus/Extender custom made chip/an a supposed Pro Tune of it all worth only 1/8 mile WOT time.
Seriously (Not taking a jab like every body else) how do you explain the ALL them eleven second and faster cars on stock ECMs? ?
My car is a BS car but still goes 114 in the 1/4 and friend of mines goes 10.80s in the 1/4 also with a stock ECM and chip. And his car/build is over 6 years old and doesn't miss a beat.
Your exactly right!!! It's when you attempt the low 10.s high 9.0's it becomes a factor, Most all the stock ECM cars you read about are running exactly where you stated. (Very,Very few under 10.50,Fewer in the 9.9's,Never Heard of one in the 8.90's...)
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« on: January 12 2013, 08:21:38 PM »
go with bob bailey TR6 setup
http://www.bailey-eng.com/tr6/
ac delco is a crap shoot i dont care who you get it from they are all overseas made and no different from the carquest brand
get the caspers tester and test the module, coilpack and wires... and test them often .
http://www.casperselectronics.com/store2/product_info.php?products_id=607
and they sell adapters to test the spark operation through your wires
Yep,already mentioned the LS1 coils route to Cal,I'm going to run around for couple months as is for now till i at least brake the car in more, (rear end,suspention, etc,etc) Thnks for that tester link,It'll be on the list next week,i've seen them before n Now know there worth...
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« on: January 12 2013, 08:17:17 PM »
gotta give it to you, hellobozo,
you keep on a truckin! 
I'm not very good at following the flow sometimes.
are you saying that you are now happy with your results with the fast xfi 2.0 and cals tune?
Yes, for my combonation, Aftermarket ECU with pro Tune runs better -vs- Stock ECU/Translator Plus/Extender custom made chip/an a supposed Pro Tune of it all worth only 1/8 mile WOT time.
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« on: January 11 2013, 02:59:31 PM »
Here's all the info,dyno,track pass video,scanlog files. Just from the first build,the three other's had the same out come. Three strikes He's out, Next...Hello Cal... Now i have a cars that expected...mea ning it does what i paid for the pieces to do....If you got this Old stock ECU combonation to work a full 1/4 mile, Easy 10's an Number Matching....(Since i pulled 11.4 1/4 with terriable 60', an 7.20 1/8...(Basicail only 1/2 pass,where i strolled on the Supra that had to do 133mph to catch my 1/2 track blown headgasket..) Info link below...Enjoy. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/threads/10-50-87gn-numbers-matching-mayhem.386951/This is the New Ticket...
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« on: January 11 2013, 02:37:54 PM »
Drum Roll from a bi-polar Monkey with Tarots Syndrome. ^&*^*&*(*),(*((*&^&,%^%$,&^%$*^& This whole time it's the........::: Ignition Module :::: What you say??? Yes an confirmed (much as possible) Hate to say it, but i dragged Cal out again with a Bonus of Holly is assistant . After some diagnosing We put the Old Ign. unit back-in, Car Fired Right Up..Nice an Smooth...***But****..It is the Old unit an after 10-15 min, run time....***Zip***...No ign. fire/stall. So, my first Ign. Mod was just on it's way out..( Would only run the car 20 min or less ) The #$%$^*^& Brand New one an Coil pack I thought i got from Cottons (have to dig the receipt out) Is Bad or at least won't work with XFI what so ever... ( Wouldn't run the Car at ALL... ) So the score is One Ignition Module on the way out, The New replacement bad from the get go,A Third New ones on order an will arrive in 2 days,An Acdelco unit from Acdelco. Cottens ad said this new one i got was Acdelco, apparently not, Kirbens site says off-brand,so does HwyStars, ....Beware.... Who stock's a no BS original ACDeclco OEM Buick Turbo Ignition Module
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« on: January 06 2013, 03:08:36 PM »
This glitch is a real pain/pin in the arse...I've replaced "all" the sensor's,coil pack Ign.module, Checked compression (all at or just over 150),harmonic balancer/ring,cam sensor ring,ran through as much senor wiring as could be had. Had Julio from Alky Systems out, Had Cal out from Hartline perf. out. Now i've sent the XFI back to F.A.S.T. The issue is no communication from XFI to the IGN. Module for advancing. If the box's circuitreys good, It has to be a harness issue somewhere. I've spent $2000 trying to find the problem,an i'm almost there....I should find out Monday if the Box is good,F.A.S.T was hooking it to a Buick GN they have there Yesterday. Out of everything that can cause this issue i have it down to XFI box (bad circuit) ,Harness issue (pin 15),or Cam key-way issue (twisted the cam)....The Cam will be the last on the list (in that case, i'll be yanking the motor....) I await word....
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« on: December 16 2012, 12:44:46 PM »
12-16-12,An it's dead again, On a bug hunt, The car backfired on roadtest an has never ran right since,Compression test is ok, but the car no matter's what's done won't come out of a retarded running condision.chec king EST circit or i twisted the cam. 8^(
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