National Healthcare

[Steve Wood]

This does not sound at all like the glowing reviews of Canadian health Care that I hear here but it sounds exactly like what my Canadian employees told in 2000.

'Medicare-for-all' means long waits for poor care, and Americans won't go for it once they learn these facts

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/medicare-for-all-means-long-waits-for-poor-care-and-americans-wont-go-for-it-once-they-learn-these-facts

[reality]

That must have been written by a republican
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''In 2006, per-capita spending for [/color][/size]health care[/color][/size] in [/color][/size]Canada[/color][/size] was [/color][/size]US[/color][/size]$3,678; in the [/color][/size]U.S.[/color][/size],[/color][/size]US[/color][/size]$6,714. The [/color][/size]U.S.[/color][/size] spent 15.3% of GDP on [/color][/size]healthcare[/color][/size] in that year; [/color][/size]Canada[/color][/size] spent 10.0%. ... Some of the noted differences were a higher life expectancy in [/color][/size]Canada[/color][/size], as well as a lower infant mortality rate [/color][/size]than[/color][/size] the United States.''[/color]
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[/size]And as far as universal healthcare in Canada[/color]
[/size]The starting date was July 1, 1968, and the Act provided that the federal government would pay about half of Medicare costs in any province with insurance plans that met the criteria of being universal, publicly administered, portable and comprehensive.[/color]Jul 3, 2012''[/color][/size][/size]All the provinces have their own ideas about healthcare and different things and drugs[/color][/size]are covered so not truly NATIONAL[/color][/size] ,And they allways tout how many go to the US for health care but leave out how [/color][/size] many leave the US for healthcare. Seems to me that doesn't fit the agenda.[/color][/size]IMHO of course[/color]

[reality]

Sorry about the text

[daveismissing]

Ron's text:
In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678;
in the U.S.,US$6,714. The U.S. spent 15.3% of GDP on healthcare in that year;
 Canada spent 10.0%. ...
Some of the noted differences were a higher life expectancy in Canada,
 as well as a lower infant mortality rate than the United States.''

And as far as universal healthcare in Canada
The starting date was July 1, 1968, and the Act provided that the federal government would pay about half of Medicare costs in any province with insurance plans that met the criteria of being universal, publicly administered, portable and comprehensive.

Jul 3, 2012''All the provinces have their own ideas about healthcare and different things and drugsare covered so not truly NATIONAL ,And they allways tout how many go to the US for health care but leave out how  many leave the US for healthcare. Seems to me that doesn't fit the agenda.IMHO of course

 

[Steve Wood]

National or state healthcare is great as long as one is not critically ill.  As I have posted prior, I have some experience with the system and  lost two very good employees/friends over the inability to see a specialist/gain admittance to a cancer center.  The fact that it took two years to quit treating them for bronchitis rather than running tests to find out why they could not be cured of their bronchitis is another issue.  That seems to be pretty common anywhere one does not have access to first class doctors.  I live in one of those areas.

I managed to get one of my friends into MD Anderson once he had finally been diagnosed with Mesothelioma.  Coincidentally, MDA's cancer head was a Canadian.  He just shook his head and said it was way too late in the process to do anything other than to keep him comfortable.

I posted the link as it pointed out that the average wait to see some that had been referred was 19.3 weeks.  I guess one could infer that this is due to shortage of specialists/medical facilities?

Many good, experienced Doctors in this country have retired rather than deal with government bureaucracy. A federal/state socialized system will simply create an extension of the V.A. medical system which is far too often criminal in behaviour.

[daveismissing]

There are no easy answers for any of this stuff. Specialists in under served areas basically have unlimited billing, so it is as much as they are willing to work. Other metropolitan areas Govt bean counters try to limit specialist billing as cost control.I know a few radiologists, their complaint is  MD's being afraid or lazy and send way too many MRI req's, clogging the system.

[reality]

Thanks Dave
The first line was
That link must have been written by a republican,
Because it sure seems like they have some agenda.





I would agree that neither system is perfect, It would seem to me tho that the US has an elite system and not everybody has access to the same healthcare.

[good2win22]

I can only speak on the VA.  Met with them in August of 2018 to have blood work and physical completed.  Was referred to the TBI center for follow up.  For those that aren't aware, I had to land a chinook when I didn't really want to over in Iraq back in 2005 and I bounced my head around the cockpit a little bit upon touchdown.  Appointment was set for 28 Dec 2018.  I was contacted on 12 Dec 2018 and told that the appointment needed to be rescheduled due to one of the physicians having a family emergency.  I thought the reason to be a bit vague as the appointment was still a few weeks away but ok.  Appointment was rescheduled for sometime in May 2019.  So now I wait...

[Steve Wood]

The problem in the States is very simple.  Government does not live under the same rules that it imposes on the populace.

[Pyro6]

I can only speak on the VA.  Met with them in August of 2018 to have blood work and physical completed.  Was referred to the TBI center for follow up.  For those that aren't aware, I had to land a chinook when I didn't really want to over in Iraq back in 2005 and I bounced my head around the cockpit a little bit upon touchdown.  Appointment was set for 28 Dec 2018.  I was contacted on 12 Dec 2018 and told that the appointment needed to be rescheduled due to one of the physicians having a family emergency.  I thought the reason to be a bit vague as the appointment was still a few weeks away but ok.  Appointment was rescheduled for sometime in May 2019.  So now I wait...

That's BS, they screw you guys around way too much.

[Steve Wood]

I can only speak on the VA.  Met with them in August of 2018 to have blood work and physical completed.  Was referred to the TBI center for follow up.  For those that aren't aware, I had to land a chinook when I didn't really want to over in Iraq back in 2005 and I bounced my head around the cockpit a little bit upon touchdown.  Appointment was set for 28 Dec 2018.  I was contacted on 12 Dec 2018 and told that the appointment needed to be rescheduled due to one of the physicians having a family emergency.  I thought the reason to be a bit vague as the appointment was still a few weeks away but ok.  Appointment was rescheduled for sometime in May 2019.  So now I wait...

The VA is the single most national disgrace.   Some of my country friends have been helped by the change that allowed them to be able to find a non-VA doctor because they live more than 40 miles from the nearest VA center.  I don't know how many times they drove to San Antonio or Kerrville to find their appointment was rescheduled or moved to a different place...

[daveismissing]

I do believe our medical system prioritizes, maybe not officially but life threatening situations, children and young breadwinners get served. My teen had a problem with his leg, there was concern about a possible clot and the Dr was able to get him in for MRI right away. When wrecked my knee , I could still hobble about and the wait was maybe 3 months? Since I knew a bit about the system I rebooked within 3 weeks but had do an offpeak and 1.5Hr drive to get it done.Probably took a few more weeks to book in thesurgeon consultatation with results. Surgery was set up dunno. maybe 6weeks out from there? Best I can remember :o   

[Forzfed]

National or state healthcare is great as long as one is not critically ill.  As I have posted prior, I have some experience with the system and  lost two very good employees/friends over the inability to see a specialist/gain admittance to a cancer center.  The fact that it took two years to quit treating them for bronchitis rather than running tests to find out why they could not be cured of their bronchitis is another issue.  That seems to be pretty common anywhere one does not have access to first class doctors.  I live in one of those areas.

I managed to get one of my friends into MD Anderson once he had finally been diagnosed with Mesothelioma.  Coincidentally, MDA's cancer head was a Canadian.  He just shook his head and said it was way too late in the process to do anything other than to keep him comfortable.

I posted the link as it pointed out that the average wait to see some that had been referred was 19.3 weeks.  I guess one could infer that this is due to shortage of specialists/medical facilities?

Many good, experienced Doctors in this country have retired rather than deal with government bureaucracy. A federal/state socialized system will simply create an extension of the V.A. medical system which is far too often criminal in behaviour.

If you don't like your doctor you can get a new one!  One of my parents friend was in his 70's and diagnosed with cancer.  His doctor didn't want to treat him, he went to another doctor and they got him in right away and beat the cancer.  Heaven forbid someone take responsibility for their own life!  If you have a bad mechanic are you going to keep seeing him?  What if you have a bad financial advisor?  Nothing and nobody can force you to stay with a doctor you don't agree with!  You have choices.  A good buddy of mine Dad had cancer but he had a bad doctor and wasn't diagnosed till someone finally told him to go see another one.  Unfortunately at that time it was too late.

One of the biggest problem we have is people going to the hospital that have nothing wrong with them!

One of my friend's brother lives in Kentucky and pays $2000/month for his plan.  Seems like a lot of money to me!  And what if you have a prior condition?
Malpractice is huge in the States.  One of my friend's was an assistant to one of the big surgeons here in the city.  The guy did lung transplants, heart transplants, you name it.  He was asked why he didn't go to the States.  He said he was interested in paying huge insurance costs and the hassle of being sued.  He transplanted 2 lungs in a girl and that was about 15 years ago and got $250k a lung.  So I don't think he is hurting.
I don't think it is cut and dry like people think.  I work for the hospital system and I have seen things first hand and read a bunch of BS about how things work in my local papers.  It's funny because when I talked to the staff we all laugh at the crap that is written.  It's too bad they have to slant everything!:(

[Steve Wood]

The system is totally broken in the states and the government is a large part of the reason.  Socialized medicine run by the State will not fix it.

If we do not soon return the government to the people, nothing will fix it.

[Forzfed]

Why were all these Americans buying their drugs from Canada?  There were even State's buying their medicine for the Federal workers from Canada.  My cousin whom lived in Cali worked for big Pharma she was telling a pharmacist the price for some pills which were $2 and over heard him telling the patient $20/pill.
A good friend is a nurse in Florida.  She tells me how awful the bill gouging is!  She told me about a 22 year old that came in for a rattler bite and that would probably have to claim bankruptcy after getting treated.  Heaven forbid the government at minimum puts in laws to stop gouging the sick!