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« Reply #30 on: August 03 2018, 10:25:16 AM »
One of my favorite memories of Motormouth Mike is when he claimed he worked on his Buick and picked up a tenth or so.  He did not seem to think the fact that his improved run was a made on a different track that was lower in altitude and 30 degrees colder was relevant.

Later, he replaced his bad maf and the car picked up again!  LOL
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« Reply #31 on: August 03 2018, 10:49:31 AM »
Tim! fix that transmission!  It needs to shift when it's supposed to.  All the analysis in the world does no good when there is an unwanted variable lurking in the bushes :)

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« Reply #32 on: August 03 2018, 01:06:14 PM »
One of my favorite memories of Motormouth Mike is when he claimed he worked on his Buick and picked up a tenth or so.  He did not seem to think the fact that his improved run was a made on a different track that was lower in altitude and 30 degrees colder was relevant.

Later, he replaced his bad maf and the car picked up again!  LOL
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« Reply #33 on: August 03 2018, 01:28:47 PM »
the truth is neither harsh, or soft...it simply is what it is! :D
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« Reply #34 on: August 03 2018, 02:40:15 PM »
the truth is neither harsh, or soft...it simply is what it is! :D
I suppose the same goes for character flaws.
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« Reply #35 on: August 03 2018, 03:21:52 PM »
Not really, the truth implies an irrefutable fact.  A flaw implies something that can be mended.  It's really more a perception
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« Reply #36 on: August 03 2018, 04:20:06 PM »
And perception is reality.
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« Reply #37 on: August 03 2018, 04:28:27 PM »
 :rofl: :rofl: :rock: :rock: :cheers:
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Re: Shift RPM?
« Reply #38 on: August 03 2018, 05:06:43 PM »


quote Tire diameter affects the apparent gear ratio at the tire as it interacts with the road surface. Put a set of 34" tires on a jeep that had 25" tires originally, and you can easily feel the apparent difference in the gearing.   end quote


Is this statement perception or reality. I believe it;s perception because reality dictates the torque to the ground is the same either way.

Only in our minds can reality and perception be the same.

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« Reply #39 on: August 03 2018, 05:41:25 PM »
Others draw a different opinion-or should I say perception? Perception and reality can often be one and the same...



https://www.onallcylinders.com/2015/07/30/tire-math-calculating-the-effects-of-tire-diameter-on-final-drive-ratio/
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« Reply #40 on: August 03 2018, 06:04:00 PM »
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/how-gear-works/


This is my reality.

That article Steve posted doesn't compute to drag racing. IMO Final drive ratio's and GEAR ratio's are different concepts.

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« Reply #41 on: August 03 2018, 06:28:31 PM »
The writer of that article shot himself in the foot with his final sentence.

Take a simple example.  A one to one gear ratio bicycle with 6" rear wheel is very easy to pedal.  Replace it with a 30" rear wheel and it is not nearly as easy to pedal.

Most of us know that If we change the gears on a bike, it can be very easy to pedal and not go very fast, or it can be very hard to pedal but go much faster.
Somewhere most of us have learned how big vs small gears or pulleys work.  In the case of a tire, it is the next to the last gear in the equation.  It works against the surface of the earth just as if it were the final gear.

We use the term effective, or apparent, because we understands that it changes the effect and we can see the difference on the clocks even tho we cannot put a tape measure on it.



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Re: Shift RPM?
« Reply #42 on: August 03 2018, 06:47:42 PM »
What if we add inertia to the mix?


I must admit I don't get the ''apparent'' change.


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« Reply #43 on: August 03 2018, 07:29:13 PM »
It's okay.  It's not a test :D

If you had ever used a roto-tiller with 6" tines and one with 12" tines, it might be easier to understand.
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Re: Shift RPM?
« Reply #44 on: August 03 2018, 07:45:37 PM »
The 12 in. is trying to do twice the work[or more] I have used a rototiller in my time tho not that specific test;but yea it would pull on your arms harder but nothing to do with a ratio


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