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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #15 on: December 30 2016, 10:09:10 PM »
^hence my need for a plain ole chip.  I'm smart enough to tune an aftermarket chip but I just don't give a fuck.    :)

I'm approximately 100% sure I'll never tune my GN to the Nth degree.  Close is good enough for me.


I have been thinking about making the slant 6 in my '72 Dodge van fuel injected though.  Can't decide between 80's shitbox FI or soldering up a megasquirt.

...but that's a different story.   :tongue

I have been thinking the same for my Challenger...M eqaSquirt or a FITech system are my two leading candidates. Price is right on both and would improve gas mileage and cold start....   After having FI cars, cold natured carbed beasts are a pain in the neck.
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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #16 on: December 30 2016, 10:21:59 PM »
Been hearing some less than positive things about the FITech; I'd go with MS as it is expandable, because I am a slow nerd.
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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #17 on: December 30 2016, 11:10:51 PM »
Been hearing some less than positive things about the FITech; I'd go with MS as it is expandable, because I am a slow nerd.

Most of the throttlebody input on the Mopar boards has been pretty good...but, to get the real benefit, I think I need port injection and that has not come to market as of yet-or so I understand.  Pretty dicey in my experience to be in on the early stuff.

MegaSquirt has been under continual development for a long time now and it works.  If my son gets a Miata running out of his two...then I was thinking of helping him with a turbo set up....and MS is definitely the way to go there altho there are a couple of other options.---At least that is my opinion :)
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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #18 on: December 30 2016, 11:14:41 PM »
Been hearing some less than positive things about the FITech; I'd go with MS as it is expandable, because I am a slow nerd.

Most of the throttlebody input on the Mopar boards has been pretty good...but, to get the real benefit, I think I need port injection and that has not come to market as of yet-or so I understand.  Pretty dicey in my experience to be in on the early stuff.

MegaSquirt has been under continual development for a long time now and it works.  If my son gets a Miata running out of his two...then I was thinking of helping him with a turbo set up....and MS is definitely the way to go there altho there are a couple of other options.---At least that is my opinion :)

My thoughts exactly.  I have seen 9 second cars with FITech; but there are more 9 second cars running MS.
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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #19 on: December 31 2016, 08:58:16 AM »
How about this Earl for your '72 Hippie love fest slant 6 van?

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« Reply #20 on: December 31 2016, 01:45:56 PM »
That is great!
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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #21 on: December 31 2016, 05:33:41 PM »
Stand alones are nice but there is more sense of accomplishment when you can run really good times on a basically stock location chip in the stock computer.

Generally, it seems that an aftermarket system, in the hands of an experienced tuner, seem to be more likely to pick up hundredths instead of tenths, over a well tuned chipped car despite what vendors/tuners like to claim....

Well put Steve!  Couldn't have said it better.

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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #22 on: December 31 2016, 06:41:53 PM »
I think that for us "older people" that grew up having to think for ourselves a chip is all we need and adjust from there. Regardless of contrary thinking it's still air and fuel.


For the younger people that need to be plugged in and a computer to tell them every move then a stand alone is for them.


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« Reply #23 on: December 31 2016, 09:40:25 PM »
I think that for us "older people" that grew up having to think for ourselves a chip is all we need and adjust from there. Regardless of contrary thinking it's still air and fuel.


For the younger people that need to be plugged in and a computer to tell them every move then a stand alone is for them.


IMO

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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #24 on: December 31 2016, 11:23:21 PM »
My opinion is that the average younger guy/girl has no clue as to how an engine works let alone the tuning process.  They may be good texting, twittering, or FB'ing, but they want to buy parts and not have to read anything to install them. 

Older guys may not appreciate computers as much but they are much better at grasping concepts and applying them so they quickly pick it up.

Exceptions to all rules, tho
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« Reply #25 on: January 01 2017, 10:56:04 PM »
How about this Earl for your '72 Hippie love fest slant 6 van?
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« Reply #26 on: January 04 2017, 05:58:30 PM »
How about this Earl for your '72 Hippie love fest slant 6 van?

The blower is where my feets go!!   I dd come close to putting a stock GN turbo and intercooler on mine many years ago. Then the turbo got lost in a move and I wasn't going to buy one just to be silly (and have the fastest 72 slant6 van in the world).


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Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #27 on: January 08 2017, 02:03:08 AM »
Earl, I would highly recommend the 6.1 if you are not considering SD2.  My only regret of buying the 6.1 is that I didn't go straight to SD2.

It does what it says it will do.  On my unopened longblock 10.99 and 11.07 passes my fuel pressure was off around 12-15 psi where it should have been with my weak pump.  The 6.1 added a ton of fuel and kept the AFR where it needed to be and I got no knock.  The wideband tracking works.

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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #28 on: January 08 2017, 03:33:27 PM »
Been hearing some less than positive things about the FITech; I'd go with MS as it is expandable, because I am a slow nerd.

Most of the throttlebody input on the Mopar boards has been pretty good...but, to get the real benefit, I think I need port injection and that has not come to market as of yet-or so I understand.  Pretty dicey in my experience to be in on the early stuff.

MegaSquirt has been under continual development for a long time now and it works.  If my son gets a Miata running out of his two...then I was thinking of helping him with a turbo set up....and MS is definitely the way to go there altho there are a couple of other options.---At least that is my opinion :)

My thoughts exactly.  I have seen 9 second cars with FITech; but there are more 9 second cars running MS.

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Re: Is a TT6.1 worth the extra money of the 5.7?
« Reply #29 on: January 08 2017, 11:21:14 PM »
Earl, I would highly recommend the 6.1 if you are not considering SD2.  My only regret of buying the 6.1 is that I didn't go straight to SD2.

It does what it says it will do.  On my unopened longblock 10.99 and 11.07 passes my fuel pressure was off around 12-15 psi where it should have been with my weak pump.  The 6.1 added a ton of fuel and kept the AFR where it needed to be and I got no knock.  The wideband tracking works.

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I popped the extra money for the 6.1. I just couldn't justify the extra cheeze for the SD.  If it would have been close to the same money I would have went that route. More money and more work isn't my idea of a good time.

What's odd is USPS ran today (Sunday) and I got my chip....   with today's high of 40F. Needless to say, it's sitting on my couch. :)
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