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Knock, Knock, Whos There? Help!
« Reply #285 on: June 21 2016, 06:43:28 PM »
This is the one I bought. I even double checked with charlie.







Oh well, mistakes happen. Anyone have a v8 and want a new mini starter?
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« Reply #286 on: August 01 2016, 03:39:29 PM »
So, it's been awhile since the last update. I bought a starter from Earl. Had some issues but they were my fault. Got her started up. Ran her for 30 min at 2500-3000rpm. Everything was good. No leaks, all pushrods spun. Turned her off for a couple minutes to get her ready to take out for her maiden voyage. She won't start back up. No ses light when the key is in the on position but traced it back to what is most likely a bad bulb. No spark and no injector pulse which leads me to believe that it's the ignition module or the crank sensor and last possibly the ecm.
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Alky single nozzle
Walbro 340
Duttneck Intercooler
3200 Vigilante Converter
Boxed lower rears
Hotchkis Drag Bar
275/60-15 MT DR

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Re: Knock, Knock, Whos There? Help!
« Reply #287 on: August 01 2016, 04:51:14 PM »
Does it have fuel pressure?
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« Reply #288 on: August 01 2016, 08:19:45 PM »
Check Steves site. He likely has a no start 'tree'. Be patient...and go through the checks.
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« Reply #289 on: August 02 2016, 01:07:55 PM »
That sucks but don't set it on fire because I know it sure is tempting at times!  :068:
Did you get the bulb working again?

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« Reply #290 on: August 02 2016, 02:25:47 PM »
Check the CCCU fuse
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« Reply #291 on: August 05 2016, 11:08:33 AM »
Does it have fuel pressure?
Yes, it's at 40

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« Reply #292 on: August 05 2016, 11:09:21 AM »
Check Steves site. He likely has a no start 'tree'. Be patient...and go through the checks.
Yep, he's been very helpful. We're down to crank sensor or ignition module

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Alky single nozzle
Walbro 340
Duttneck Intercooler
3200 Vigilante Converter
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« Reply #293 on: August 05 2016, 11:09:49 AM »
That sucks but don't set it on fire because I know it sure is tempting at times!  :068:
Did you get the bulb working again?
No, not yet.

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« Reply #294 on: August 05 2016, 11:10:11 AM »
Check the CCCU fuse
All fuses under the dash are good.

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« Reply #295 on: August 05 2016, 04:20:10 PM »
The coil has good ohms across the post(11-13k ohms I believe)?
Not sure how to check the crank sensor with a meter. I would guess something happens as the hall effect thing crosses the sensor in there .
With the noid light does it flash when you crank the engine over?
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Re: Knock, Knock, Whos There? Help!
« Reply #296 on: August 05 2016, 05:58:10 PM »
He has no spark, he has no injector pulse, he has no SES light.  If he followed the tree correctly and that is a giant IF, the SES bulb is burned out.

If the bulb is burned out, then it would seem to be the crank sensor or the ignition module.

Car cranked right up and he broke the cam in.  Turned it off and nothing happens now.  Said it idled smoothly and he did not hear any noises.  Now, his electric oil pressure gauge barely moves when he cranks it over.  He does not remember if he checked oil pressure while it was running.

All the fuses seem good, battery is charged, has power at the ecm on the wires that are concerned as I understand it.

Said he had ordered a BW module (pos) and a crank sensor.  Don't know if he has gotten them in yet.  Last I left him, he was going thru the no start tree but I don't know what happened with that endeavor.

He does not know if the SES light worked before.


I had one guy that spent two months assuring me that the SES bulb would not come on when you shorted it out to complete the power and it was burnt out....strange ly, it worked fine when he finally tried a different ecm and the car started right up and the bulb was miraculously restored with a filament that now works.

Another guy spent three months getting mad at me because I kept asking him if he was sure if he had injector pulse and yes, he did!  He went thru the tree and everything worked exactly as it was supposed to.  I have never figured out how he had injector pulse when the cam sensor was not  turning because the oil pump had seized up and sheared the roll pin that holes the gear in place on the cam sensor shaft...or how he could swear it was turning when he went out of his way to check it for me after I kept asking about it.

these days, I don't believe anything unless I actually see it with my own eyes..and then I doubt myself :D





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« Reply #297 on: August 05 2016, 07:05:59 PM »
My first thought on a deal like this is the injector harness might have gotten burned on the egr. Look there on the driver side of the intake and check the ecm fuse again. Could be something else burned as it started but then didn't after it got hot. I cant see how we don't have an ses light. Maybe swap in a known good ecm.
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« Reply #298 on: August 05 2016, 07:45:27 PM »
Not sure if I'll have a whiskey...or a beer. I'll flip a coin. Beer wins. :atbeer:
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Re: Knock, Knock, Whos There? Help!
« Reply #299 on: October 28 2016, 12:20:53 AM »
Sorry guys. Been away dealing with moving to florida from arizona and not wanting to deal with the car. With the great help of Steve, we were able to get her running. Runs like a dream. Boost builds ridiculously fast. Faster than ever. Jumps from 0-18 in under 1.5 seconds. Thanks everyone for your help. I really appreciate it.

Btw I've been getting on Supersix about how he's completely dropped the ball on his build. He says now that I am hear that he's probably going to have me get his going for him.

Once again, thanks guys!
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1987 Buick Turbo-T
PT-51
.030 over
Built trans
60 lbs inj
212/212 flat tappet
Alky single nozzle
Walbro 340
Duttneck Intercooler
3200 Vigilante Converter
Boxed lower rears
Hotchkis Drag Bar
275/60-15 MT DR

 

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