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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #45 on: October 17 2014, 07:48:41 PM »
The trans never shifts to third? Or just no shift at wot? Does it skip third and go to fourth? Trans pressures? Put a gauge on it to see if it is loosing pressure. Could have toasted clutches/steels, could have a torn seal so it never applies the clutch. Tv cable set correctly?
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« Reply #46 on: October 17 2014, 08:11:45 PM »
it does not shift at wot.   Started after the engine was pulled, apparently.  CK transmission originally.  He took it took a local guy who rebuilt it and replaced fried clutches, messed up converter, etc...still does not shift.  Tried a different governor and that made it worse.  Changed the tv cable and it stayed the same.  He's at BG now.  Vince said he would look at it but so far they have not met up after the first day unless it happened this afternoon.
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #47 on: October 17 2014, 08:26:25 PM »
This just cropped up and shifted after the "local guy" overhauled it? Sounds to me like the direct clutches are not setup properly or a seal got ripped. Or maybe a leaking vb or shift valve.

Probably have to come out and pulled apart. Mr Janis will be able to remedy it either way. I'm kinda biased as I was born in Akron, but I got to Texas as fast as I could.
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #48 on: October 17 2014, 08:57:06 PM »
no, it cropped up after he pulled the engine...local guy did it after that...looks like it will now shift manually after swapping the tv cable yesterday.
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #49 on: October 17 2014, 10:28:58 PM »
Could be a valve body problem. Leaking between the passages, or the 2-3 shift valve might need looked at. That is why I gave uo and out my own together. None of the local guys that I trust were cheap enough for me to afford.
Did he get up with Vince at the nats?
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« Reply #50 on: October 17 2014, 11:15:43 PM »
vince could not do anything for it there....
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« Reply #51 on: October 18 2014, 09:07:25 AM »
Could be a valve body problem. Leaking between the passages, or the 2-3 shift valve might need looked at. That is why I gave uo and out my own together. None of the local guys that I trust were cheap enough for me to afford.
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So Mike Casteel looked at the car, revved the engine, and said something to the effect of, "Dude!, your motor mount is broken!"    Strapped the engine down with a tied down strap and the tranny then shifted....at least it shifted manually which it would not do before.  I don't think he tried letting it shift automatically because he only made one run
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #52 on: October 18 2014, 11:22:22 AM »
Funny how experience can unveil probs you didn't know you had.
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #53 on: October 18 2014, 12:23:30 PM »
Why would a broken mount prevent the shift?
The TV cable isn't like an old school chrysler kickdown linkage
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« Reply #54 on: October 18 2014, 04:22:54 PM »
Seemed to be moving the shift lever on the tranny via the rod to the column. Pushing it in to second when the engine lurched
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #55 on: October 19 2014, 12:33:42 AM »
Thats nuts. My WOT voltage was 13.5

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« Reply #56 on: October 19 2014, 09:48:15 AM »
okay, back to Phil!  lol

now crank it up and go check the voltage at the fuel pump to make sure it is about the same as what you measure at the back of the alternator.
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #57 on: October 19 2014, 10:00:21 AM »
Steve, I'm sitting this one out and watching. :) I've got two cars here with whacked out 02 readings...and both cars are fine at WOT for fuel. One has WB...and 9.0 to 1 at WOT. That`s why I asked the ECM question. Hoping for an easy fix. :)
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« Reply #58 on: October 19 2014, 11:26:19 AM »
Brad, I don't think it is the sensor.  Don't think PE is trimmed by the O2, but I have not asked Eric.   but, there are a bunch of bad O2s floating around and I would like to know for sure we are getting the numbers correctly.

My first guess is that his pump is a pos that flows less as the current load increases and it gets hot.  My second is the ecm.  It's easier to swap an ecm to find out if it is the problem than it is to swap a new pump in.
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Re: Could be overreacting
« Reply #59 on: October 19 2014, 11:41:42 AM »
I've got new Densos in each car. One has Reds double pumper and the other has a new 255 LPH pump...both are hotwired. WOT voltage is good in each car...and grounds on PS head are fine. Fuel pressure is rising with both for each pound of boost. No KR present in PL logs. IDC is fine in both cars as well. Low 02 readings I'm seeing make no sense.
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