Freshen up a motor

[motorhead]

Like I said: you should buy my car.

Oh, and seriously dude I have been on the same 130K+km engine (with the same stock head gaskets) for over 10 years and haven't considered a rebuild yet.  So why are you?

What I am saying is don't get wrapped up in all the hype of Turbo$$$Buick.com or what you read in magazines.  If you want a nice car do it little by little, don't just lay it up for the sake of taking on a build of a lifetime.

Leave that stuff for norbs.

I am on vacation from 19 Aug to 2 Sep, my offer to assist stands - just get the car here in good working order.

[YGspider]

I'll have to see what my work schedule looks like. I've been driving the car for a month now with that little idle noise so... and the oil doesn't seem to have any metal in it. Tomorrow I'm going to cut off the oil filter again and see what it looks like. I ordered a new PCV valve from NOS4 I'm thinking a clogged old one was clogged leading to higher BLM's.. Also another very very big possibility is a exhaust leak somewhere but I cant see it and it doesn't really have the exhaust leak noise. But everyone who has heard the noise doesn't think its a exhaust leak. I bet your car would of been awesome Motorhead but this car was a 5 minute find away from my house and its a pretty mint car. It had all the good mods but I'm just hoping the engine builders where competent in there work.
 
   

[YGspider]

Just a update on my issues. I changed the oil filter to a Napa Gold long neck filter and no change. I also looked at the oil from the old filter and I can see some little gold flakes ? what is the gold flakes from I searched a few other turbo Buick forms and no one seems to know. I also am chasing down a KR problem that I cant seem to fix as well as BLM's at 138.
 
 
Edit: the gold looking flakes might just be dust from the pan sitting around. God dammit this car is gunna make me and my dad kill each other he has given up and thinks the noise is normal and says to drop the timing for the KR but I'm not stupid that's not the problem the fucking gar is going TAPTAPTTTPTPTP ATA AHHHHHHHH I cant sleep that noise haunts me. The quest goes onward to figure out the issue  

[278CIKILLER]

Sorry to say gold flakes means bearings.

[Steve Wood]

Yep...it's overhaul time

[YGspider]

So would that mean my Turbo is fried now as well

[Steve Wood]

maybe...maybe not...it will be if you keep driving it.  As long as the there is virtually no discernible in and out play on the compressor shaft and you cannot move it enuf sideways to allow the wheel to touch the sides, it is probably still okay at the moment but i would sure clean out the oil delivery line when I went back together with it

[YGspider]

So I guess my next question is if I got to a full roller motor I don't need to worry about zinc in the oil anymore? and are full roller motors loud ticking wise? I read a lot of forums about people saying how there engine ticks.

[TWIN86GNS]

Some roller engines tick more than others and it seems that some of the Comp Cams roller lifters make a bunch of noise and if you believe everything you read on the internet the Morrel roller lifters are quieter if not quiet. 
 
David, JustaSix, has a roller cam in his engine and it is quiet.... at least to my ears.  Now I have seen and HEARD guys at the track whose roller lifters were very noticeable and their cars still seemed to run Very well.
 
When I briefly heard your car at the Sunday morning coffee run I didn't think I was hearing any major issues with your car.  If you want, go to a heavy truck shop and see if they have kits that will let you send your oil off to be analyzed.  I have many reports from the late 80's from GN #1 and they give a fair amount of info.  You just have to get a CLEAN sample of oil to them.  That means you fill up the sample jar with oil that is currently draining out of the oil pan, not from a catch can that has crap built up in the bottom from many different vehicles.
 
P.S.  -  A roller motor won't be cheap since a cam kit is almost $900 US and then the shipping on top of that will probably put you to about a $1000 Canadian once you convert the money and pay some duties.  Also if you are hell bent on spending money I know a guy West of Toronto a bit that was selling a complete engine with roller cam, good pistons, main caps, etc.  I am not sure if this was a fully assembled engine or not but I can get some info for you if needed.
 
Good luck,
 

[Steve Wood]

Be a lot cheaper to just buy good oil that already has zinc in it.

[YGspider]

Some roller engines tick more than others and it seems that some of the Comp Cams roller lifters make a bunch of noise and if you believe everything you read on the internet the Morrel roller lifters are quieter if not quiet. 
 
David, JustaSix, has a roller cam in his engine and it is quiet.... at least to my ears.  Now I have seen and HEARD guys at the track whose roller lifters were very noticeable and their cars still seemed to run Very well.
 
When I briefly heard your car at the Sunday morning coffee run I didn't think I was hearing any major issues with your car.  If you want, go to a heavy truck shop and see if they have kits that will let you send your oil off to be analyzed.  I have many reports from the late 80's from GN #1 and they give a fair amount of info.  You just have to get a CLEAN sample of oil to them.  That means you fill up the sample jar with oil that is currently draining out of the oil pan, not from a catch can that has crap built up in the bottom from many different vehicles.
 
P.S.  -  A roller motor won't be cheap since a cam kit is almost $900 US and then the shipping on top of that will probably put you to about a $1000 Canadian once you convert the money and pay some duties.  Also if you are hell bent on spending money I know a guy West of Toronto a bit that was selling a complete engine with roller cam, good pistons, main caps, etc.  I am not sure if this was a fully assembled engine or not but I can get some info for you if needed.
 
Good luck,

That's my main issue right now is that I cant tell if the sparkles are dust from the bottom of the pan or other things that fell in the shop from the pan sitting around for a few hours. When I cut open the filter to be honest the oil looked pretty good to my eyes.

[278CIKILLER]

If you took off the pan and it sat around for a hour or two, What could have fallen into it? Was any body working with gold flakes around?If the gold flakes were at the bottom of the pan mix in with the oil that's copper and that's bearings period.

[Steve Wood]

should not have been difficult to determine if they were metal flakes and even easier to know if any one was grinding or cutting next to the pan

[YGspider]

It wasn't the oil pan its self just a black oil drain bucket that I use for oil changes. I cleaned it out pretty good before I used it. But I think dust from the vacuum that floats in my garage floated down into the oil pan. because my car always has a coat of dust on it that I clean off the car every day. it was very very fine sand like material in the bucket so its hard to say.
I'm going to drop the oil pan this weekend and see what I find.. If she's hurting I will be pulling it all apart and making the car brand new again. A part of me wants this project to happen but the other part says ....that's a lot of money... hahah ohh well I love the car to much.
 
   

[xpander343]

Did you ever end up cutting the oil filter open? Or were you just looking at the oil in the drain bucket?