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Re: Single Pump-How Fast
« Reply #15 on: June 08 2013, 09:13:08 AM »
I have not seen any.  I recall from some time ago that the PTE had very low pressure drop across it with high volumes of air simulating a big turbo on the inlet side. 

Being cynical, I suspect most intercoolers are just clones of another.  People try to figure out how to make the biggest unit that will mount without much hassle on most cars and call it good.  The biggest science is in the design of the end tanks.  One is trying to get as even a flow as possible thru all the tubes in the core so we have to figure out how to distribute the air across the entire end of the core and get it to turn smoothly and flow at all points and that takes some science in the tank and inlet/outlet design.

Harry at PTE came out of Garrett just as did John Craig so I suspect he understands the theory and puts some effort into the thought of the design.  Other guys have simply said copy that and make it bigger, I am guessing.

In the end, most of these probably have the capability to flow a lot better than 98% of the customers will ever approach so it may be somewhat a moot point.

Dan was running an old V4, the same ic that I put on my son's car, and touched the Nines.  I guarantee that the PTC can flow more air.  Tony DeQuick did have a lot of professional experience in the business and he did make a damn good unit given the materials that were available to work with in those days.  If I recall correctly, he designed ic's and radiators for international harvester.

Point being that you will not be undergunned whichever way you go.  Norbs, on the other hand, will need at least four of the them to achieve his goals.  :D
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Re: Single Pump-How Fast
« Reply #16 on: June 08 2013, 09:26:27 AM »
I did a back to back to test with the Champion stock appearing intake and the Champion race intake. The bottom end torque suffered with the race intake. My take on it was the runners were so huge that the air velocity through them was slower. Your thots Steve.
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Re: Single Pump-How Fast
« Reply #17 on: June 08 2013, 09:41:21 AM »
We are back to the waterhose example...A bigger hose will flow more water but it will flow it slower. 

Connect a fire hose to the faucet in your yard and water will flow out the end...very slowly.   Connect a half inch garden hose to same faucet and the water comes screaming out the other end.

In the old days, head porting tended to be aimed at total flow and it worked at high rpm but it sucked throughout the lower part of the band.  Ever see a tunnel port 429 Ford?  You could stick your head in the ports but the damn thing was a slug on the street because the air wandered around in the huge ports and did a lousy job of filling the the cylinders with air.

These days there is a lot of effort put toward maintaining air velocity throughout the rpm band rather than at just the top end.  Emphasis is put on where the material is removed from the port rather than just hogging it out all the way thru.

That's what happened with the Champion, it takes a lot of air to fill it up in order to get it moving.  No problem on a race car with a high stall converter, big turbo, and a cam that extends the rpm band...but it can suck on a driver because it kills low speed throttle response...jus t an extension of a giant intercooler.

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Re: Single Pump-How Fast
« Reply #18 on: June 08 2013, 01:30:06 PM »
Bison chimed in on the other board. That turbo is good for 28-30 PSI with good heads and a small roller cam. I've got several 28 PSI runs on PL saved...so I'll work from there. Should I go to a cooler 42 plug...or stay with the 43's? Gap?
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Re: Single Pump-How Fast
« Reply #19 on: June 08 2013, 01:55:42 PM »
I will not hurt, but, I doubt it helps...sprayi ng alky keeps the charge pretty cool so it is not as likely to detonate, or so I think

I never had a problem running 42's on the street
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Re: Single Pump-How Fast
« Reply #20 on: June 08 2013, 03:02:01 PM »
42s are good... should be in the same range as UR5s from NGK, IIRC.
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