Won't Start

[Bob-Lob-Law]

Hello, I am pretty new to this board, and have not posted until now.   Well, I have finally finished installing the my new engine and have gotten a chip burned and installed.  However, I cannot seem to get the engine started and running.  It turns over and catches but dies immediately.  I tried to start it a few times with no luck with the same thing happening every time, it catches and within a a second, it dies. I changed out the spark plugs but I still get the same result, start, catch and die.  When I changed the spark plugs, I noticed that there was a very strong fuel odor and the original plugs were severely fouled. 
 
 If it is flooding, what should I look at in fixing this problem?  I have looked at posts on the other board, but have still come up with nothing.  I would greatly appreciate any help anyone could provide. 
 
 Thanks.

[earlbrown]

Sounds like my car when I disconnect the battery and forget my chip has that damned anti-theft crap on it.

[Steve Wood]

Bob, make sure the battery is fully charged and not low.

make sure the ground cable is properly attached to the engine.  Also check that the small ground cable off the battery is connected to the inner fender sheet metal.

take a plug and connect it to a spark plug wire and lay it on the valve cover...does it spark when you try to crank the engine?

Sounds like it has fuel.  Now we need to be sure it has spark.

And it does sound like a chip with theft protection option.

[William Brophy]

Hi Steve, Bob contacted me on the other board. I have not been keeping up with the Buick stuff for a while now and posted a link to this site but I see he already found you.
 
Bill

Steve heres a pic of the engine I built that is in my car now, Poston headers, TA heads & block. It has run in the 9's at 22 psi with the "air off" using a TT street chip, a gutted oem maf sensor and a 0 psi launch. 

[Steve Wood]

Hi, Bill!  It's good to see you are still up and kicking!  That is a beautiful engine and it runs well!  What were you using for fuel?

Give us the engine details as to what lies within.

[William Brophy]

Steve, when I came to the site I was glad to see you still kickin too!    Here's the best way to get the complete story from bare block to finished product with blow by blow pics, insight & time slips. This engine has been in the car for a while and I did the complete build on your old hunting ground; TurboBuicks.co m. Just click on the stage section and I'm the first thread, I have time slips with pump gas (12/13 psi of boost) and the 9 second race gas post. I have not used the alchy in a long time.

 
Check it out, Trust Me,    I think you will really like the pics and get a more complete story than if I went into it here.



Bill

[Steve Wood]

I am kickin' slower these days but I am still playing with cars...I just need to learn to focus rather than messing with too many cars at once.

After I posted, I remembered that you had a thread going over there from the past ...takes my memory time to snap some days!

for those interested, this is the way to build a street car that can

http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/stage-ii-dfi-speedpro/90477-ta-block-heads-street-motor-build-up.html

It's a lot more fun that a strip car that might do it once a year before being worked on again

[William Brophy]

Thanks Steve for posting the direct link, I just posted the web site link in my post but took it down just as soon as I saw yours,
Bill

[William Brophy]

Steve, the reason that I have not been on the Buick sites and keeping up with things the last few years is that I've been bracket racing a "Grand Sport" corvette that I bought in 2010. On the "Corvette Forum" C6 performance section I (a 260 lb.) fat man holds the Grand Sport "Competely Stock" and "Bolt-on" 1/4 mile records at the moment. Last week was the first bracket race of the year here and I made it down to the last 6 cars in modified (usually fast cars that are towed in) before I went out. I got paid for making it that far so I am already a "professional" first race of the year.   
 
Bill

[Bob-Lob-Law]

All,
Thanks you so very much for answering my post.  Mr. Brophy recommended that I post here as well.  I do thank you Mr. Brophy for all your help.

As Mr. Earl Brown and Mr. Steve Wood suggested, yes I do have the anti-theft on the car.  I had the chip burned from Turbo Tweak.  Please let me know what I need to do to either overcome this problem or how to disable it. 

Steve, I will check the grounds too.  I was also going to check the cam setting unless it sounds like that is OK.  I'll have to wait until Saturday as I am pretty busy during the week.  I'll let you all know how it goes.

Thanks again.

[Steve Wood]

I don't know the sequence to using the anti theft on the TT chip, but, I do know that a battery voltage that drops too low when cranking the engine will over come the start up sequence and prevent the car from starting.  There is no way to disable the function without using a chip that does not have it.    So...be sure the battery is fully charged and not dropping very far into the tens when cranking.

Check the ignition for spark as I suggested using a plug....

[Steve Wood]

if you have another chip without theft protection, stick in in the ecm and see if the car fires off.  Don't run it for more than a second or two if it does not match the injectors

[earlbrown]

I do know that a battery voltage that drops too low when cranking the engine will over come the start up sequence and prevent the car from starting.  There is no way to disable the function without using a chip that does not have it.    So...be sure the battery is fully charged and not dropping very far into the tens when cranking.

It will also make your car look like a huge piece of shit in the big lots, walmart, homedepot, and china buffet parking lots. Big enough to make one want to park it in the carport for another 6 years.....


that reminds me, I did to do some chip shopping.

[Steve Wood]

I had one a few years ago that would not start every morning...seem s the battery had a weak cell and after sitting awhile, it would not start until I put another chip in it, then start it, let the battery charge, and then change chips again....like he said, makes you want to put the car under the car port and walk away...new battery fixed that but it left an impression

[Bob-Lob-Law]

Steve,
Thanks for the advice. I did install a new battery, however, in trying to start it, it has run down.  I'll put the charger on first thing and make sure the grounds are good to go.  I also installed a new coil pack too, however, I'll check the spark to make sure it's strong. 

I'll let you know what the findings are.