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[PacecarTA]

i told you why it popped on the other thread

you wanted to learn so you took it out real world and went balls to wall with a dyno tune without looking at kr or 02s and thrashed it for 1320ft,..... then drove it home hurt

[Steve Wood]

i told you why it popped on the other thread

you wanted to learn so you took it out real world and went balls to wall with a dyno tune without looking at kr or 02s and thrashed it for 1320ft,..... then drove it home hurt

Which is the reason that most of us would never, ever, take a dyno tune to the track without making some adjustments before hand.  Running a car at the track is different from running a car on the rollers.

[earlbrown]

i posted an dyno sheet,the one in the vid with supra, at little past 1/8 it blew head gasket.( no trailer,limped it home). I brought my car to KDK after having my car at John's at Bowling Green Customs who screwed me with whiped flat tapped cam fresh build...You have no Idea on the motors i been through the last 6 years....LOL . all from buick pros to supposedly.

They couldn't find the leanout condion for anything..it goes lean by it's self,not through the tune KDK said. If you pay someone for build, you Expect it to go down the track At Least on it's first pass striaght out there shop when They Said it Would...So i tried it

Bowling Green Customs has been out of business for over a decade (if not 10 years, damn close)?

So they told you it ran lean up top, they couldn't figure out how to solve the problem and you go balls out on the first pass and blow it up?? Based on what you just said you took a car that can't run up top and blew it up. (then stayed in it another 1/4 mile). Just curious, did it have antifreeze in it for the limp home?


You and I have a much different thought process. I don't go balls to the wall after an oil change.

I've got three cars with BFGs on them. If I let the air out of each set and drive on them till something breaks, do you think your attorney could get me $30,000 too?

[I Love Factory ECMs]

i posted an dyno sheet,the one in the vid with supra, at little past 1/8 it blew head gasket.( no trailer,limped it home). I brought my car to KDK after having my car at John's at Bowling Green Customs who screwed me with whiped flat tapped cam fresh build...You have no Idea on the motors i been through the last 6 years....LOL . all from buick pros to supposedly.

They couldn't find the leanout condion for anything..it goes lean by it's self,not through the tune KDK said. If you pay someone for build, you Expect it to go down the track At Least on it's first pass striaght out there shop when They Said it Would...So i tried it

Bowling Green Customs has been out of business for over a decade (if not 10 years, damn close) ?

So they told you it ran lean up top, they couldn't figure out how to solve the problem and you go balls out on the first pass and blow it up?? Based on what you just said you took a car that can't run up top and blew it up. (then stayed in it another 1/4 mile). Just curious, did it have antifreeze in it for the limp home?


You and I have a much different thought process. I don't go balls to the wall after an oil change.

I've got three cars with BFGs on them. If I let the air out of each set and drive on them till something breaks, do you think your attorney could get me $30,000 too?

Yeap,10 years i been messing with this car,I've owned a GN since 86'( it got totaled with 113,000mile on o.d. by girlfreind so in 90' i bought an 87',The 86' was still under dealer warrenty, Unlimited miles/10 years, ),Early 2000 car went to John he had it 4 years,KDK 3 years,...before that was stored when i was loosing motors to whipe flat tappets early 90's,(all the lead was taken out the oils) then later the additives came out. The headgasket wasn't major, but was one,Thats why i did another full freshen up rebuild,with added parts, Blown-up go Faster my mato..After alot street play i did the track trip,it fell over just like on the street,just like there dyno test was,I expected them to solve the problem not dick me around,KDK has his own 10 sec car too,Cotton's white car was having same issue as mine but up north at his shop on his dyno..this all 4-5 years ago now,I told KDK my goals,He's said i was good to go!, So hell yea, i ran my car out the 1/4.... Thats what i paid him $8000 for....then 2 more times, What i paid for i was never deliviered , don't matter if race car or not. Wasn't my resposiableity to re-check an go over the whole car when i paid KDK, a performance automitive place to do it have it fully track ready. Check your state's lemon law,  ;^)
If you want your lawsuit won, change your 3 car's tires over to Firestones!!! If you tamper with the product that voids any warrenty ,the Firestone will let there own Air Out!   I want my cut the settlement!!
8^)

[earlbrown]

.After alot street play i did the track trip,it fell over just like on the street,just like there dyno test was,I expected them to solve the problem not dick me around

So it wasn't running right, you put it on the track and blew it up. And it's someone else's fault...

 

Wasn't my resposiableity to re-check an go over the whole car when i paid KDK, a performance automitive place to do it have it fully track ready. Check your state's lemon law,  ;^)

Actually, yes it was. Even it was running right when it left the shop, do you expect them to follow you around every day to make sure it's in tune or the owner doesn't break it on purpose?  I don't know of any shop that will guarantee any engine to be "track ready". It's flat out not possible.
  Lemon laws are for new cars under warranty. Not to protect checkbook hotrodders that abuse the shops work to death.

If you want your lawsuit won, change your 3 car's tires over to Firestones!!! If you tamper with the product that voids any warrenty ,the Firestone will let there own Air Out!   I want my cut the settlement!!
8^)

Not surprisingly you missed the entire point of that hypothetical.


Like I said, you and I have a much different thought process. Hell, the chick at Great Clips even asks me if I'm happy before I pay her. In my mind once I pay her, the rest is one me.

Then again, I don't care who's "fault" anything is. I go by who's responsibility it is to keep my car running. That answer is me.

I just spent over 7 years putting my car back on the road after it was stolen. I know exactly who's fault that was....      I also knew who was responsible for putting it back together.

[I Love Factory ECMs]

  When people tried stealing mine out the driveway at 3am when i just left a bar,I came out with CAR-15 (paratrooper m-16), Those 3 guy's Scattered!! 2 got away, i identified the third one at 4am the cops caught,had the chopper's out an all,...Never Leave you GN alone in an Open Air Area...;^)...I had to fix the doorlock an steering column. As for KDK , I expressly told him to tune it for the Track. I want a 1/4 mile track tune because it's going to the Track when he finished it/delivered it....He agreed an took my money an said car's Ready for the Track! My first track run in it is All what he built an tuned in to it over 1 year..The suit after he just let his insurance handle it, no skin off his back...8^/....But as for him being a Listed as a Buick Specialist in the Hi-Performance area ,That's false advertising,other wize i'd have Running 10sec car with first build...heh..
When Cal tunes my car, I make sure it's the way i want it, After that,.It's all mine!!! as is no warrenty's. He'd have no responsibly for motor,he didn't build it...KDK on other hand installed everything into my car but didn't complete the job assigned.
If a shop takes your money an doesn't deliver what was both "fully agreed" too. You can let you money go an go somewhere else or Can get it back. Most shop's have "You" sign an disclamer statement,Sign that, True, you won't get sqaut back for failuar. Thats free ticket for shops to do as they please.Haircut ting's a repetitive process, Motor's builds shouldn't be,but was to Me  (or hopfully not anymore)..8^)
Enjoy!

[earlbrown]

I've forgotten more about this stuff that most people will ever know. You could hand me $100,000 and I'd never say I'd warranty a track car. I damn sure wouldn't do it for $8000.


I almost wonder if you have a tired fuel pump or a flow restriction between the fuel and the injectors.  Wouldn't it be funny if your ECM problems are from a pin hole leak or a rust flake in the FPR signal hose?

[I Love Factory ECMs]

I've forgotten more about this stuff that most people will ever know. You could hand me $100,000 and I'd never say I'd warranty a track car. I damn sure wouldn't do it for $8000.


I almost wonder if you have a tired fuel pump or a flow restriction between the fuel and the injectors.  Wouldn't it be funny if your ECM problems are from a pin hole leak or a rust flake in the FPR signal hose?

Brand New" XPR1 (Reds pump) Hotwired an Volt Boosted,(we took out my old xp pump an aux. mounted pump,a Bosh pump off a 87' turbo 944 Porsche,did it because of age), On the dyno sheet i posted in ECM bus thread, it had full 68 psi.  so guess again...heh Everything was gone through checked an or replaced if at all iffy..another reason i paid alot. He'd didn't have to give me a max HP motor i guess like he did, i told him i want Operational track car. So any tune that'd got be to end the 1/4 mile been Perfect, I could took over from there...;^)

[Steve Wood]

With all that stuff, it is time for you to belly up and take responsibility for blowing it up....you were the one behind the wheel and the one with eyes on the O2s and the Timing Retard.  The more you post, the more apparent it is that you simply did not have a clue about what you were doing.

You are building a beautiful car.  Perhaps it would be a good idea to stick to car shows until you learn something about tuning.  No one that knows anything about the cars is going to give you any credence and if the person that you sued had had a jury of his peers, you would have left the courtroom charged with paying the court costs.

[ULYCYC]

Imagine if a single engine pilot had your knowledge of tuning.  He goes to the hanger mechanic on a clear dry low humidity  day and say's "give me a tune for 5000 ft"  Now you go flying a few days later on a very humid day and at 5000ft your plane goes "put put bang bang bang put put poof and stalls"  Now your on a spiral nosedive to the ground thinking I should of read the book in pilot school about how density altitude and weather effects tuning.

[I Love Factory ECMs]

With all that stuff, it is time for you to belly up and take responsibility for blowing it up....you were the one behind the wheel and the one with eyes on the O2s and the Timing Retard.  The more you post, the more apparent it is that you simply did not have a clue about what you were doing.

You are building a beautiful car.  Perhaps it would be a good idea to stick to car shows until you learn something about tuning.  No one that knows anything about the cars is going to give you any credence and if the person that you sued had had a jury of his peers, you would have left the courtroom charged with paying the court costs.

  I blew-up what was supposedly guaranteed for at least the minimum of One 1/4 mile pass,True there was no writing on it, was verbal .So the explosion's are on KDK,even gave him 2 other try's,he had Full Rene (with my cash an parts in trade) over the entire car an build,Your correct,I did blow up his tune i guess,there's no real solid explanation yet other than Lean tune ,This all was 4 years ago, still had the idiot dash 0-85 an single boost only gauge with one Water temp in lower right pannel. Now, i Have all the gauges i need, AIR/FUEL gauge is above my Boost gauge in the Pillar pods, 4 years ago, your correct, I paid to have it all done,I have no work area or dyno or any idea how to set translator box or adjust the Extender chip,Was to be inspected an track ready! You've read where that got me, Now's a whole different story....The car's twice as Fast an doesn't fall over what so ever, Solid pull till i decide to let off. I still have the last quad air ECM modded for large injectors. Anyone can give me $150 an try it out, I'll gladly refund the cash when it's returned...be selling a lot old parts soon ;^)
What ever you think, He had No Case...wasn't just the Motors in the suit ;^),only way he'd got out of it would actually do the job he had been assigned or close business an declare bankruptcy. He choose his Insurance
Only reason i'm not hitting the track is i have to brake-in the new rearend first,i'm not even going to dyno it like the last time with Cal,We'er just going to put nice 22psi boost street tune one it,He's did it before, Car fly's, An i  watch Gauge's, All's Gravey!!! 

[I Love Factory ECMs]

Imagine if a single engine pilot had your knowledge of tuning.  He goes to the hanger mechanic on a clear dry low humidity  day and say's "give me a tune for 5000 ft"  Now you go flying a few days later on a very humid day and at 5000ft your plane goes "put put bang bang bang put put poof and stalls"  Now your on a spiral nosedive to the ground thinking I should of read the book in pilot school about how density altitude and weather effects tuning.

LOL.. the last motor, the 3rd, Came straight out is shop an Next day to the track with him have all the Info on. Goodbye #1 intake vale in new GN1 head's,there's no peddling it, once it hit a certain point it fell over .Damage been done  """not to mention All the Damage probably already done on KDK's dyno messing with it,""""..... "Ring" "Ring" Cal, add XFI an first tune please, Cal "No Problem!!!", current Date, Car runs to any speed an's Twice as Fast as Before...8^)
I got crappy tuner,or there was ECM issue,or all combined.Just glad it's Over! But other can benefit from my hard times...;^) Some people are Drivers an others Mechanics,I'm just lucky to have a Team Owner...LOL
 

[I Love Factory ECMs]

Woulda's - Coulda's - an the Shoulda's, All in the Past,an all taken care of!!!!. That's reason car went to paint ,was Waiting till the motor'd stay in it at least a year...8^)
I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur, But i guess with the time gone by an only one full set build info,I just won't ever be able to get the Answer..."Welcome to the Gray Fog of Racing"
Only thing i regret out of anything was storing the car for 10 year's an allowing all that Information around between then to slip by...(But not Now!!)
Enjoy!

[$1987 GN$]

 
Only reason i'm not hitting the track is i have to brake-in the new rearend first,i'm not even going to dyno it like the last time.

WOW really?

AJ___

[earlbrown]

I'm just after an Defenant answer on the failur

Abuse



Or less to the point...   "Customer knowingly operated car outside of acceptable paramateurs resulting in severe damage. Customer then continued to operate while damaged resulting in catastrophic failure."