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Re: I replaced my spark plugs today please take a look them
« Reply #15 on: March 07 2012, 07:47:46 PM »
Was it a dry black or a wet black David? Not counting the threads here. :icon_smile:

Dry black carbon.
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« Reply #16 on: March 07 2012, 07:53:23 PM »
Open the gap some like Steve said then. If it looked wet it would be oil so that's a good sign. :rock:
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« Reply #17 on: March 07 2012, 08:40:31 PM »
yep...good sign....
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Re: I replaced my spark plugs today please take a look them
« Reply #18 on: March 07 2012, 08:47:41 PM »
Open the gap some like Steve said then. If it looked wet it would be oil so that's a good sign. :rock:

yeaup dry

i did open up the gap from 28 to 32
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Re: I replaced my spark plugs today please take a look them
« Reply #19 on: March 07 2012, 09:01:01 PM »
Today i pulled the plugs to re-gap them and they were completely black All OF THEM. I had to wire brush them before putting them back in
The car is rich as heck in idle And just driving around

if possible - once i get a "A" Wideband on the car i am going to ask Eric to use the files to lean it out some (A lot)   

Can't you just program the chip?  Lower the fuel pressure until you get O2s down around 780-800  (or blms that are close to 128) hot idle..then use the programming to set the wot fueling.

Those plugs look like a bad o2, or a maf problem to me.  Or a fp gauge that does not read right. Or a bad fuel pump and way too much alky.
« Last Edit: March 07 2012, 09:18:05 PM by Steve Wood »
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« Reply #20 on: March 07 2012, 09:03:56 PM »
Today i pulled the plugs to re-gap them and they were completely black All OF THEM. I had to wire brush them before putting them back in
The car is rich as heck in idle And just driving around

if possible - once i get a "A" Wideband on the car i am going to ask Eric to use the files to lean it out some (A lot)   

Can't you just program the chip?
Not idle or cruising ONLY WOT. 
i guess turning the fuel pressure down and adding some fuel to WOT to make up for it ???????
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« Reply #21 on: March 07 2012, 09:06:08 PM »
yeah, see my edit above
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« Reply #22 on: March 07 2012, 09:14:35 PM »
when we started the discussion, your car was running way too rich, and, to me, it looked like it was trying to run on alky and was short on gas.

I think you have to go back to the basics and get everything dialed in right.  Normally, Eric's default parameters and Julio's suggested alky settings  are very close.

If you can get the charging system and voltage supply to the ecm, ignition, and injectors up to snuff as well as get the fuel back on keel, I think you will see a major turn around in how things work and perform.

Sometimes, we have to turn the alky off, boost down, and get the car running right at normal boost before worrying about getting it to run at 25 psi or so with alky spraying
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Re: I replaced my spark plugs today please take a look them
« Reply #23 on: March 07 2012, 09:30:24 PM »
the fuel gauge is pretty close - Pacecarta tested my fuel system this past summer and it (gauge) pretty much match his handheld gauge.
the BLMs are 139 at idle.
the O2 is a Caspers heated sensor that is about 4 years old.
this is a log from today -after spark plug re-gaping
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« Reply #24 on: March 07 2012, 09:33:32 PM »
julio and Eric make life real simple. If you were honest with Eric when you ordered your chip for the questions he asks...and you told him your max boost level was for 25 PSI...then you should be able to hit that with zero adjusting...an d the 02's showing about 820 at WOT on Erics default setting. As Steve says...get the gremlins sorted out first.
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« Reply #25 on: March 07 2012, 09:34:25 PM »
when we started the discussion, your car was running way too rich, and, to me, it looked like it was trying to run on alky and was short on gas.

I think you have to go back to the basics and get everything dialed in right.  Normally, Eric's default parameters and Julio's suggested alky settings  are very close.

If you can get the charging system and voltage supply to the ecm, ignition, and injectors up to snuff as well as get the fuel back on keel, I think you will see a major turn around in how things work and perform.

Sometimes, we have to turn the alky off, boost down, and get the car running right at normal boost before worrying about getting it to run at 25 psi or so with alky spraying
i am with you 1000% i just bought a 14 pound actuator that is going on the car and i haven't run it hard for a long time. i even drive around with a white flag :D

my thoughts have been that the car was running lean at WOT because of the ALKY turned all the way up and the O2s were still showing low.????
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« Reply #26 on: March 07 2012, 09:46:16 PM »
julio and Eric make life real simple. If you were honest with Eric when you ordered your chip for the questions he asks...and you told him your max boost level was for 25 PSI...then you should be able to hit that with zero adjusting...an d the 02's showing about 820 at WOT on Erics default setting. As Steve says...get the gremlins sorted out first.

i gave him every detail i had and every description i could
i have come to the conclusion that the WOT lean stuff is due to fuel pump (fuel pump coming soon) or Electricity (hope to have this fixed soon).
the rich idle stuff is something else.
           
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Re: I replaced my spark plugs today please take a look them
« Reply #27 on: March 07 2012, 09:46:48 PM »
okay...the ecm is adding fuel like mad, the maf reads in the right range, the o2 looks lazy to me....if the fp is right, then, I would stick a Denso non heated sensor in the car and throw the heated one away.  They don't code right, and they lose range with age.

For Twenty some dollars, that is about the cheapest means of trying to double check things that I can think of at the moment.  Your plugs confirm what the scantool is telling us.
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Re: I replaced my spark plugs today please take a look them
« Reply #28 on: March 07 2012, 09:56:42 PM »
okay...the ecm is adding fuel like mad, the maf reads in the right range, the o2 looks lazy to me....if the fp is right, then, I would stick a Denso non heated sensor in the car and throw the heated one away.  They don't code right, and they lose range with age.

For Twenty some dollars, that is about the cheapest means of trying to double check things that I can think of at the moment.  Your plugs confirm what the scantool is telling us.
OK then
Denso it is.
and a new regular ACDelco O2 sensor. Is this part number "AFS21" correct ?     
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« Reply #29 on: March 07 2012, 10:09:27 PM »
I suggested the Denso O2 sensor because I have heard some having problems with the recent Delcos...but, you can try one instead of the Denso brand if you want
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