next project getting started

[Steve Wood]

this should be fun!

[TexasT]

Sounds good. It came with the computer and harness so I'm hoping it won't take too much to get it up and running. That would be great if you could take a look at the tune when we get that far. It has a 4t65e with it and that is already in the computer I guess. Right now just doing home work and putting fundage together to buy the programer. I guess we will buy the pro one and be able to log easier . Not sure what else the pro one does more or better than the regular unit.

[nocooler]

You need the pro to log analog signals - I.e. wideband. There are ways around it, some wideband can do serial out and it plugs into the laptop with a usb/serial adapter, or using the a/c pressure sensor, or egr circuits on the factory pcm.
 

[TexasT]

I think that pro has four channels so we can do fuel pressure too.

[TexasT]

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So a wideband seems to come in several brands. I see guys who use the aem stuff and this innovate. Found this on the eBay. It states it give output in lambda and according to some of the bids on YouTube, if you tune in lambda you can go to different fuels easily. I guess once you own the unit you get to buy the brand,style, specific sensor for that unit? Or are the sensors swappable to different ones?
seems this innovate uses a Bosch o2 sensor and I would guess they are readily available. I will look into that .

[nocooler]

3 types of common wideband sensors Bosch 4.2/4.9 and ntk
Ntk is the best and cost the most
95% of stuff uses a Bosch sensor. 4.9 is the newer better sensor.
I’ve used innovative and aem both work decent for the price.

[TexasT]

So, I could use the ntk with that innovate wideband? I get those ntk o2 off rockauto I think to put in the T.

[nocooler]

I’m not aware of any innovative stuff that can use a ntk.
I have a ngk afx wideband that uses the ntk style sensor. This is a variation of what I have https://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/index.php/cPath/103_241?osCsid=ie8796kgv85nn31j9sruad0je1
If you do innovative or aem I would connect it via serial as both style units suffer from voltage offset issues when using the analog signals with hptuners.

[nocooler]

https://www.amazon.com/AEM-30-4110-UEGO-Ratio-Gauge/dp/B00N3VGPYS


https://www.amazon.com/Innovate-Motorsports-Digital-Wideband-Controller/dp/B00FFTAJPC


These are the 2 I’d be looking at on a budget. Get the full kit so they come with the sensor.
Also do some research on hptuners forum to see what everyone else is having good luck with.

[Steve Wood]

I went thru three of of the Innovate LM1 models...I think there is a new one somewhere in my shop some place that I never installed because I had had enough.


I use the NGK AFX like Jeremy.


The AEM like he posted above is very popular and seems to work well as long as lead never touches its lips.  There is a slightly different model that is supposed to be a little more professional but I have read it does not cost much more.

I think this is it.  Has a much larger easier to read display and covers a wider a/f range  The big advantage is claimed to be a much faster response time to changes in the A/F as compared to competitors.
 
https://www.amazon.com/AEM-Wideband-Ratio-Sensor-Controller/dp/B01FEH2GNW/ref=sr_1_7?crid=36E7CRIEL3D50&keywords=aem+wideband&qid=1559222025&s=automotive&sprefix=aem+%2Cautomotive%2C167&sr=1-7

[nocooler]

I’m not a fan of innovative. The aem units are decent, but I wouldn’t expect it to last forever. I find that I need a lot more datalgging time and quite a few more flashes with the cheaper units.

[Steve Wood]

I have one of the "good" Ngk before they cheapened them up.  The Ballenger version would be the way to go.


Before William got into the nines, I spent a lot of time helping him.  I struggled for months trying to figure out why his car was running so well but the 6.1 chip was adding fuel all the time when the car looked like it was getting fuel.


I asked him if he had ever put leaded gas in the car since he got the AEM.  He did not recall having done so, but, I told him to buy a new sensor and stick it in the car.  Suddenly everything started behaving right and made sense.  I am sure he must have put some leaded in the tank at some time but it could have simply been the heat that got to the old sensor.   Either way, I prefer NGK


If I were buying an AEM, it would be the new faster responding version.  I have always wondered how much "advance" you should put in the fueling to account for the lag.

[TexasT]

Looks like an aem is the "value pick" as that Ballenger is twice  as much on the least expensive unit. We aren't sending things into space, just down the drag strip.
Does the unit have to have the gauge hooked up or can we just run it into the hp tuner, powerlogger, gnecu and log the lambda? More distractions  when we are trying to cut a light and keep it in the groove of the track is better to me.

[nocooler]

aem the gauge is the controller

[Steve Wood]

Some times, I worry about how many pieces I will bring back down the drag strip