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First of all I am Canadian....

French Canadian by any chance?

Why would it matter to this discussion?  What if I was non-White - would that also make a difference to you too?

Mike. just as an aside to the 3 turbo;s you mentioned, they are all the same company now.

So it is a case of vendor bias and price fixing. Nice.


China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in.  You'll run 9s. I promise.

Have you run 9's ?? You make it sound so easy.

Evidently my sarcasm isn't coming through clearly enough, Dan.  It was a loose Fast and Furious reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyOG16bQgDw

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Chinese products cause job loss in the USA. They copy an existing design (usually poorly), then the USA manufacturers are faced with either having to move production to China, or go out of business. Once the Chinese product has killed off any competition, the pricing is raised. Now you pay about the same, for lower quality, plus your family, neighbors, etc, lose job opportunities.

Do you really want Chinese parts vs. USA manufactured parts? What happened to supporting the Country that you live in?


PS. This post is supposed to be educational on various turbo & converter combinations.

First of all I am Canadian - so protectionist rhetoric doesn't resonate with me.  We rely on a heathly import/export model here in America Jr.

Back on topic, I gave an option.  It just happens to be outside of what you wanted to hear.  Fine then - buy a Garrett, Turbonetics, or Precision turbo - they are all equally expensive and should smother you in a warm blanket of self-assured buyer's remorse.  But, you can fell validated at the next Cars and Coffee that you dusted your car off for when it proudly displays the comforting image of a name brand - lest ye be judged.

As for a converter... ummm... get a Precision Industries 9.5" triple disc (they are still stupid expensive, right?).  The stall rating isn't important because you'll never get the trans up to temp putt-putting to the nearest Starbucks fetching your mocha frappe purse drink.

To sum up, there are more reliable cost effective options than the narrow-sighted hive-minded Buick community cares to acknowledge.  But, go ahead and spend top dollar on something you rarely use to avoid feeling like an outsider - please piss your money away.

China T66 and a used cheapo Art Carr converter - $1000 all in.  You'll run 9s. I promise.

I rarely bought a new part for my Buick and it did okay.

EDIT: This is a funny take on the classic go-to 9/11 converter: http://converter.com/article1.htm

EDIT 2: With the way I rant I should work at PI: http://converter.com/article3.htm

EDIT 3: Or just run the T66 with a stock D5: https://www.turbobuick.com/threads/spooling-a-t66-turbo-with-a-stock-d-5-converter.148573/

EDIT 4: Evidently the China T66 was sold by a Buick vendor in 2015: https://turbobuick.com/threads/t66-turbo-from-cxracing-com.428403/

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I'm not so sure on the Chinese stuff. Where is most of it coming from? Yep, over there. The problems start when the seller, buyer, installer don't know the difference between junk and quality stuff. Or  The maker knowingly misrepresents the stuff and the seller, going by the makers specs sells It under that guise and the buyer cant make it work or the stuff fails. Remember the roller cam fiasco.

Depends on the reseller and how they manage the QC on the product.

If you are out to make a quick buck and don't mind flipping garbage - yeah off shore parts are going to justifiably get a bad rap.  To the contrary, if you hold the manufacturer to task and want sustained sales - the off shore goods are good.

How many Buick owners chase their tails with cracked OEM headers (blankets, braces, etc)?  Those things are just low-grade stainless MIG welded POSs by a drunk line worker in the 80s.  OEM header is best header.  But the offshore Buick headers are "junk", right?  But, why are they junk? Because someone wanted to fill a budget-level need and rushed them to market - no validation, no QC, no follow-up or version control. Quick buck made.

Ever notice how Precision and Turbonetics have had QC issues too (Procharger doesn't even warranty its own products)? Or the various vendors who couldn't engineer a cereal box much less a budget roller cam?  Some are excellent at making high quality parts, and suck at business (Mease I am looking at you).  It goes on and on.  No one company is perfect, some just choose to be more accountable than others. 

The mass contingent of folks just follow along like sheep looking for "proven recipes" because they are incapable of thinking for themselves, or just really risk adverse.  You can tell who the few thinkers, movers, and shakers are because they do things successfully and generate a lot of interest but no followers.

Go on, buy what makes you "comfortable" I am not trying to stop anyone.

EDIT: Main reseller of the T66 is CX Racing which moves a lot of product and has managed it brand well https://www.cxracing.com/TRB-T6-GN_PIP250-90-L-KIT  So, I doubt it is total shit (just well cloned old tech).

EDIT 2: https://turbobuick.com/threads/new-turbo-on-ebay.310895/ Still hit or miss in 2010, some marginal success, but 8 years of refinement is proving to be closing the gap.  There are so many effective clone turbos on the market now it is hard to argue against their validity for a budget build.  Not everyone has $1200 to spend on a name brand turbocharger.

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Thank you all for the replies. I understand the comments on driving technique.

What are the thoughts on Precision Turbo vs. the offerings by Garrett & Borg Warner?

I think I'm interested in the 6262 to 6266 sized turbos.

How tight of a torque converter can be run within that range?

And a budget converter.


Why use a "budget converter" after ya spend so much on the car everywhere else???

I was being a bit sarcastic.  I used a budget Yank in our TBSS, and sure it did 1.6 short times (even to the surprise of Yank) until it took out the transmission.  Now it has a billet Coan (twice the cost, not including the money to fix the trans).

That said, I'd be willing to bet that the Chinese T66 and a decent converter would perform pretty well for the money.  It wasn't so long ago that a restalled D5 and some witches brew turbo were acceptable mods.

The misconception about bad parts out of the Orient are pretty much baseless these days.



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Thank you all for the replies. I understand the comments on driving technique.

What are the thoughts on Precision Turbo vs. the offerings by Garrett & Borg Warner?

I think I'm interested in the 6262 to 6266 sized turbos.

How tight of a torque converter can be run within that range?

Get this: https://m.ebay.com/itm/T66-Turbo-Charger-For-Buick-Grand-National-GNX-T-Type-550-HP-Quick-Spool-/160852764555

And a budget converter.

I dare you.

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IHADAV8 Playground / Re: Post your GN pics
« on: January 13 2018, 10:00:41 AM »
yup, polished,   7in in front 8 in in rear,
 no clear,  just  repolish em once or twice a year,

Those look amazing!

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Most don't run near enuf valve spring pressure. 130 lb valve springs on this flat tappet cam. Discuss amongst yourselves.

I've used these when planning and building my boosted LS engines:

http://www.wallaceracing.com/boost-spring-pressure-calc.php

http://www.wallaceracing.com/calc-valve-spring.php

http://www.wallaceracing.com/dynamic-cr.php

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General Auto Tech / Re: Latest Wood Project
« on: January 10 2018, 08:14:02 PM »
Same size as his Ram pickup

Excellent.

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IHADAV8 Playground / Re: you guys in the north east......
« on: January 09 2018, 10:14:17 PM »
It was 32*F today... I left work in shorts and a t-shirt; and I was fine until I got a splash of slush up my leg, and the sun went behind the clouds, and the wind picked up... then I started running to the truck.

Seat heaters are standard issue up here.

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IHADAV8 Playground / Re: you guys in the north east......
« on: January 09 2018, 09:12:02 AM »
We're almost in the Arctic tundra here in Ottawa.

Got about 8" of snow yesterday, some of the drifts were closer to 18" deep; plus the temp finally got up to 30*F (up from the -10*F constant we had for about 2-3 weeks) - it felt down-right balmy.  Freezing rain is due later this week...

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IHADAV8 Playground / Re: It's snowing!!
« on: January 04 2018, 01:54:21 PM »
When it is this cold I like to use it to assemble things which are tolerance fit.  Rearends, rocker arm trunions, etc.

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General Auto Tech / Re: Latest Wood Project
« on: January 04 2018, 09:56:33 AM »
Very cool.  Late model Hemis are swaps worth the effort.

Be careful wagon owners are strange people.

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General Buick Tech / Re: Thoughts On 4.1 Liter Based Builds?
« on: January 02 2018, 04:50:02 PM »
Why not just go to a v8 with a turbo?

Because who wants to be confused with the likes of me?

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IHADAV8 Playground / Re: What am I up to...
« on: December 29 2017, 08:52:39 AM »
T-u-r-b-o.

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