IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: Recap on June 08 2016, 04:01:29 PM
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I have an old SMC alky kit that the pump has died on. I am going to go with an external pump but as I already have holes drilled for the previous tank I want to replace the old tank with a new one, without holes! It is the round plastic tank that mounted to the fan shroud with pump inside. Any idea as to where I might pick up a new one? Looks like standard off the self item.
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Steve had the part number of a pump that was the same size...but stronger...mor e PSI than the SMC pump. Wait till he logs in...he'll post it.
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I had a progressive kit that used the coolant reservoir and an external pump rather than the non-progressive kit...
Steve told me the controller should handle 10 amps and I first bought a flojet pump...but was not happy with the pressure. I then bought a Devil's Own Shur flo http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/pumps/445-300-psi-recirculation-pump.html (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/pumps/445-300-psi-recirculation-pump.html)
It was too large to mount in the orginal place so I put it down on the bumper shock mount
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Thanks for the input. What I am really looking for is a new tank. I am going to go with and external pump but want to use the existing tank mounting straps. It looks to be nothing special, some sort of plastic chemical bottle. I have done a bit of search and have yet to find one that looks identical to the one that was used. If it weren't for the oultlet and wiring holes, I could use the one I currently have! :icon_eyes: Good info on the pump and contoller. Was hoping the controller would work. Figured the worst that could happen is I would smoke it!
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Where are you guys mounting the tank? I was planning to go back to the stock coolant reservoir (using it for the actual coolant overflow) and re-plumb my alkycontrol kit to use a tank like this one: http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/tanks/256-3-quart-tank.htm (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/tanks/256-3-quart-tank.html) maybe mounted behind the driver's side headlight in the faux battery tray. Then move my pump to the driver's side bumper bracket... which I intend to make a nicer bracket for anyhow.
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I'll start my own thread if you think it is warranted but I have some alcohol questions.
DO NOT PUMP FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS
DO NOT PUMP MORE THAN 50/50 MIX OF ALCOHOL AND WATER
MORE THAN 50% ALCOHOL IS A FLAMMABLE LIQUID
This is prominently posted at the devils own site in the link above. I was under the impression that the alcohol injected in the kits sold for our cars squirted straight alcohol. Am I mistaken?
Can I put together my own "kit" with one of these pumps and a controller, possibly bought used as it seems the pumps go out and people buy a whole kit. Or am I just silly like I was with the trans overhaul?
Lets hear from all yall alcoholics. I know I need more boost.
They even have a noodle chooser think there. I need a Nozzle: 17.63 according to their widget. Though I'm not sure what that means. I guess it is an office size.
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We use straight alky. Post for a used progressive SMC kit on the other board. You'll get it cheaper than trying to cobble something together...and the pump is external...so it's easily replaced.
And don't come crying to me when you make more HP and 2-3 starts slipping. :)
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I've never run anything but pure 100% Meth in Julio's kit (1 pump rebuild in 8 yrs) Akycontrol is the best kit hands down for our Buicks IMO
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Where are you guys mounting the tank? I was planning to go back to the stock coolant reservoir (using it for the actual coolant overflow) and re-plumb my alkycontrol kit to use a tank like this one: http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/tanks/256-3-quart-tank.htm (http://www.alcohol-injection.com/en/tanks/256-3-quart-tank.html) maybe mounted behind the driver's side headlight in the faux battery tray. Then move my pump to the driver's side bumper bracket... which I intend to make a nicer bracket for anyhow.
I'm using the coolant reservoir for the M1 methanol tank. I put the small tank that comes with the kit in front of the battery.
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We use straight alky. Post for a used progressive SMC kit on the other board. You'll get it cheaper than trying to cobble something together...and the pump is external...so it's easily replaced.
And don't come crying to me when you make more HP and 2-3 starts slipping. :)
While I haven't been beating it at the track it has been in there over a year and still has a pretty nice 2-3 snap when it shifts. I'm pretty proud of it and wouldnt hurt my feelings to go back in and put new clutches in it. It shifts better than any of the dealer built units they did under warranty.
All good info. I'll see about this smc controller/kit. That $135 pump Steve posted a link to looks like a nice piece. As with anything it will take a while to get it together.
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I've never run anything but pure 100% Meth in Julio's kit (1 pump rebuild in 8 yrs) Akycontrol is the best kit hands down for our Buicks IMO
I wouldn't be so sure of that, lots of people are successful with lots of different kits and builds. I also don't like the upsell when I talked to him on the phone, "you need to replace this and that... and we don't trust those controllers anymore." I get it, better safe than sorry, but I didn't appreciate the tone of the discussion. He consistently said he couldn't stand behind his own product unless I spent more money. On the other hand, it just seemed slippery to me to imply that if I updated everything to his specs I would somehow be "protected"... yeah right, no matter what happens to my car its my fault in the end! He's not going to pay for anything that gets damaged if the kit fails regardless of how much money I spend!
I'll start my own thread if you think it is warranted but I have some alcohol questions. DO NOT PUMP FLAMMABLE LIQUIDS DO NOT PUMP MORE THAN 50/50 MIX OF ALCOHOL AND WATER MORE THAN 50% ALCOHOL IS A FLAMMABLE LIQUIDThis is prominently posted at the devils own site in the link above. I was under the impression that the alcohol injected in the kits sold for our cars squirted straight alcohol. Am I mistaken?
Those warnings are just to make their lawyers and the DOT happy... its polyethylene, the same material as the other tanks and the coolant jug, works just fine with straight methanol. They use a "safe" mixture with 50% water because that's non-flammable.
I carry 30gallons around in my race trailer in jugs made from the same stuff... never had a jug melt due to chemical corrosion.
Just like this fuel jugs that are used for "automotive fluid" http://www.ruralking.com/5-gallon-polyethylene-fluid-container.html?fee=2&fep=93903&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KEQjw1v66BRCV-6rh6s-Biu8BEiQAelpui2K77m6ElBkfmwle1xGFng-tzxELA1YKxVbHKJWNW6AaAgkC8P8HAQ (http://www.ruralking.com/5-gallon-polyethylene-fluid-container.html?fee=2&fep=93903&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&gclid=Cj0KEQjw1v66BRCV-6rh6s-Biu8BEiQAelpui2K77m6ElBkfmwle1xGFng-tzxELA1YKxVbHKJWNW6AaAgkC8P8HAQ)
Polyethylene has very good chemical resistance to methanol, nothing to worry about. http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/peh-chemical-resistance-d_329.html (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/peh-chemical-resistance-d_329.html)
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I just realized ^^^ thats the kind of talk that would get me banned from other boards!
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Good stuff. I'm kind of late to the game. I rarely buy into trick of the week/month. But I looks like the alcohol is a proven power maker so i am pretty sure I want to give it a whirl. Just have to do some more studying.
Did he give a reason for "we don't trust those controllers" ? It is just electronics and I would guess the same kinda board and such that is in a scanmaster and maf translator. Maybe they need to be building em with better quality stuff rather than the lowest bidder.
This is funny...
NOTE: Intended only for use as a rapid refueling device for racing vehicles used in professional off road and closed course competition racing events. It is NOT a portable fuel container as described by ASTM, EPA, ARB or other state or federal agencies. Intended for racing fuel only; not to be used for street legal fuels.
To protect them in this litigious society. Just like the pump disclaimer.
Reminds me of the instructions used in a manner other than Instructed. Just to get them out of liability. Sad that we have gotten into a second and third generation that thinks nothing is their fault.
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Alky was the latest trick back in the '90's LOL
100% meth out performs anything else in our cars. Water may remove slightly more heat, but methanol adds both fuel content and octane so that the net result is better perfromance.
It is harder on the pump seals so it's a good idea to have the pump rebuilt every couple of years. The alky control kit is the best one out of the box for the average guy because the flow curves are tailored for our cars and it is hard to go wrong just leaving the default settings where they are and running the car. As stated, the marketing is pushed more than some would like, but the kit is good.
I have heard it said that the progressive SMC controller will not up under the current draw. Steve Chlupsa told me that it should be fine and so far it has been. Time will tell. Running in ten second bursts, things don't have much time to get super hot.
One thing that experience has led me to believe is that boost trumps timing anyday. I have seen cars that went mid-tens on 18 degs of timing on alky with big turbos and plenty of boost.
Lately, I have seen a couple of cars running the Snow kit. I was not impressed. It may have been the 50-50 mix but they did not run right at all.
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Devil's advocate with Julio... It's his kit, it came out of his mind, he built it, and his name is on the box.....
I can recall a few times, I got asked to build a timing cover/oil pump.... BUT the person wanted me to do it differently than I wanted to do it.
I was polite when I said I wasn't interested. So that's something. :)
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Devil's advocate with Julio... It's his kit, it came out of his mind, he built it, and his name is on the box.....
I can recall a few times, I got asked to build a timing cover/oil pump.... BUT the person wanted me to do it differently than I wanted to do it.
yup I agree, and that's totally fair! On the other hand, its not like I was asking him to cut up his kit to make something special for me... I just wanted to rebuild my pump.... and to be fair he did say I could send it and he would check it out.
I may still send it in, but there was a very clear "I told you so" undertone just waiting to pop out when that pump to arrives. So I figured I was gonna cut my losses and put my own kit together just like I had been told by my mentors before.
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I have an old SMC alky kit that the pump has died on. I am going to go with an external pump but as I already have holes drilled for the previous tank I want to replace the old tank with a new one, without holes! It is the round plastic tank that mounted to the fan shroud with pump inside. Any idea as to where I might pick up a new one? Looks like standard off the self item.
This tank you speak of, do you have pix? Is it a cylinder? If so diameter of the end. Length/height? Color?
Hard to know what you are looking for by the description.
This is a great thread full of knowledge. Thanks for all the replies.
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If he's referring to the oval shaped bottle, I believe I have the complete kit that's just sitting there....I've never installed it. I can send pics when I get home if you'd like...