IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
General => For Sale/Trade/Want To Buy => Topic started by: scot w. on August 01 2013, 12:23:25 AM
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The posts below were split off of the original topic:
www.ihadav8.com/forum/index.php?topic=4136 (http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/index.php?topic=4136)
Scot W. Didn't start a new thread, I split to retain any integrity of the original thread.
Considering it is an EarlBrown thread, there wasn't much integrity to begin with. :rofl: (That's a joke, btw)
Thanks,
Mark
Hows the piston project Earl? Any developments?
And nice job on the bolt package!
After all the BS Scot called on TB about these bolts I lost interest for a little while. I was going to use the money from these extra fasteners to finance the prototypes.
That schmuck complained to the moderators even though he doesn't have the first bolt on his ricey Buick website (he told the mods that he sells bolt kits at shows).
The idea was to sell off my extras to finance the prototypes but now I have to pay fees to sell them yet Shane won't respond to my PM about what I have to pay.... Kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.
Well since i'm here and you don't seem to have the facts straight at all lets cover the facts... First of all Shane AND the other moderators ask us to inform them of people selling items without being a vendor if we run across them, "That's what I did"
I NEVER told anyone that I am selling bolt kit's on my, what was it you called it ricey web site?
I also NEVER told Any mods that I sold bolt kits at shows because that would have been a complete lie, anyone who knows me knows that I never sold a bolt kit at any show.
Sorry you got all bent out of shape over this and the "Truth" all twisted up but I only done what they asked to do which was to let them know of this stuff if we came across it. Now I'm called all kinds of names by a grown man? Nice!
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You have two post here and both of them are fucking with me??? Going so far as to bump a thread over a month old... I feel special.
Lets look at your first 'fact'.... You have to pay $500 a year to sell on that board AND you have to act as police at the same time. Isn't that like paying to go to work?
I was told personally by a mod that you said you claimed to sell bolt kits at shows but not on your website. That's why your complaint was 'valid'. I reminded the mod I used to star in porn movies and that means dick in the Buick world... What does that have to do here? And what you do at car shows means dick online.
You are the SOLE reason the Buick community doesn't have some pretty sweet pistons today. Granted, much like my extra bolts, there's nothing for you to gain by me bringing new stuff to the turbo regal plate so what do you care?
Just pay the $500 a year to the .kom board and don't worry about my day to day activities. You'll be much happier.
I will concede that I don't have first hand knowledge that you told a mod you sell bolt kits at car shows..... I will say for a fact I was told by that very mod that you said you did, so that's what I went with. Either you're lying or the people you pay to cover you are lying.
If you're telling the truth about never selling a bolt kit why did you stick your nose in my business in the first place. Don't you have better things to do? It's times like this I'm glad I have a life.
And you didn't get called "all kinds of names", I called you one name. And after reading all two of your posts, both directed at me, I stand by them.
Oh yeah, thanks for the bump, douchenozzle. (Since your comprehension skills are lacking, that wasn't business related either, it was personal)
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(http://jcamericana.com/img/pistols/CasedSetDuellingPistols1L.jpg)
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10 paces? How's Earl's vision? He is a serial masturbater.
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And ambidextrous :O
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you guys don't take anyone serious, what a bunch of jokers :013: :013: :013:
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Suck it up, buttercup. We have fun here..
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Suck it up, buttercup. We have fun here..
shhhhhh that was loaded with sarcasm but don't tell him ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
lol
OK this place is getting funer
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I have to be honest , I aint read the entire post of either side.
I'm ok with scott and have bought a couple things from him, but if I'm gonna buy bolts, timing covers, or any other metal part, I'm gonna choose Earl everytime. his knowledge, skill, and wit is well documented.
The only thing that surprises me here is why Earl would expect any other outcome other than what happened.
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The only thing that surprises me here is why Earl would expect any other outcome other than what happened.
Exactly!
Look guy's Earl knows plain and simple what he was Getting Away with and so does everyone else. Had he mentioned in his thread selling the nuts & bolt kits were funding a piston project I probably would have breezed right by it. If this was ok with Shane to begin with then Shane should have posted right after his first post and said so then nothing would have happened in the first place...
The way that board is ran actually breeds this kind of thing to happen, I didn't set out to piss some guy off just because he was selling nut's & bolts I simply mentioned it to Shane like he had asked and then they twist it around so they look good, it's BS!....
I would like to clear up some Misinformation Earl put out there in his last rant,
I spent months of time helping with the design of the Regal LED taillights with spaghetti engineering, they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me! when it was time to actually sell them the group purchase was Much cheaper than it is now and for your information You can not go directly to the manufacture and buy them "Cheaper" Here I will do some actual math for you so you can understand better. They sell them for $268.00 + $20 for the LED flasher = $288.00 and if you or Anyone looks on our web site they will see them for $279.00 WITH the LED flasher INCLUDED!
The very same thing happened to me too when I started to sell the LED lights "as a group purchase" on tb.kom then another vendor done the same thing to me and Shane made me become a vendor. I knew who did it but I kept my mouth shut and carried onward and now me and him are pretty good friends. I didn't go onto other sites and call names and bring his name up...
We have spent Thousands of dollars to manufactures like DSE & Ridetech to become authorized vendors and we turn right around and offer discounts to our customers cheaper than you can get the parts from the manufacture! for instance FREE SHIPPING & Freight.
Earl I look forward to meeting you sometime, hopefully at the next Buick event!
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well the next Buick event just so happens to be here in St. Louis at the Larry Flynt Hustler club :rock:
Strippers, booze, and Buicks!! :038: :horse:
it don't get much better than that! :icon_kidra:
Can't think of a better place to let by-gones be by-gones :006:
see you guys there! :cheers:
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The only thing that surprises me here is why Earl would expect any other outcome other than what happened.
I wasn't expecting any kind of outcome. All I thought I did was mention I wish someone other than Scot W. was handing the charity.
I'm pretty observant but I never would have guessed he'd show up over here, sign up, and only post under me (while asking what makes me so special)
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How did I miss this???
Not going to 'stoop to my level' huh? Bumping a week old thread for?.......
Hows the piston project Earl? Any developments?
And nice job on the bolt package!
After all the BS Scot called on TB about these bolts I lost interest for a little while. I was going to use the money from these extra fasteners to finance the prototypes.
That schmuck complained to the moderators even though he doesn't have the first bolt on his ricey Buick website (he told the mods that he sells bolt kits at shows).
The idea was to sell off my extras to finance the prototypes but now I have to pay fees to sell them yet Shane won't respond to my PM about what I have to pay.... Kinda left a bad taste in my mouth.
Well since i'm here and you don't seem to have the facts straight at all lets cover the facts... First of all Shane AND the other moderators ask us to inform them of people selling items without being a vendor if we run across them, "That's what I did"
I NEVER told anyone that I am selling bolt kit's on my, what was it you called it ricey web site?
REALLY?.. I guess this was just for your personal records...
http://turbobuick.com/forums/threads/stainless-engine-bay-dress-up-bolt-kit.398454/ (http://turbobuick.com/forums/threads/stainless-engine-bay-dress-up-bolt-kit.398454/)
I also NEVER told Any mods that I sold bolt kits at shows because that would have been a complete lie, anyone who knows me knows that I never sold a bolt kit at any show.
I apologize. Jet me rephrase what I typed earlier... I was told by a mod that you said you sold bolt kits at car shows. I didn't actually hear it from you...
That being said, one of the two of you lied to me... And since you posted a bolt kit right after mine got deleted (with pictures, crack bags and instructions already printed up), I'm going to side with the mod on being the one that didn't lie.
We both acknowledged that we didn't see any bolt kits on your website. Since you are a paying vendor, you win.
Sorry you got all bent out of shape over this and the "Truth" all twisted up
Then get my thread reinstated. I proved this was a money raising effort to bring forged Buick pistons to market.
Now I'm called all kinds of names by a grown man? Nice!
I call 'em like I see 'em. Gave any thought to getting my thread reinstated yet? Or do you still like manipulating your paying status to stop someone that's not competing with you?
Look guy's Earl knows plain and simple what he was Getting Away with and so does everyone else. Had he mentioned in his thread selling the nuts & bolt kits were funding a piston project I probably would have breezed right by it. If this was ok with Shane to begin with then Shane should have posted right after his first post and said so then nothing would have happened in the first place...
So I have to explain myself on any and all for sale posts to meet "Scot W.'s satisfaction" now?
You must have 'breezed right by' this one too...
http://turbobuick.com/forums/threads/what-would-be-a-dream-piston-for-the-average-build.395533/ (http://turbobuick.com/forums/threads/what-would-be-a-dream-piston-for-the-average-build.395533/)
Since we can agree that you made a mistake and should have breezed right by, how about having my thread reinstated?
The way that board is ran actually breeds this kind of thing to happen, I didn't set out to piss some guy off just because he was selling nut's & bolts I simply mentioned it to Shane like he had asked and then they twist it around so they look good, it's BS!....
You might not have set out to piss me off, but did you really think hiding behind Jay and Shane then blindsiding won't piss people off?
And who is 'they' and just how do they look good now? You've convinced me that you're a douchnozzle, and you're trying to make me out to be some sort of scapegoating vendor. I've yet to see any evidence otherwise.
I would like to clear up some Misinformation Earl put out there in his last rant,
I spent months of time helping with the design of the Regal LED taillights with spaghetti engineering, they wouldn't be here if it wasn't for me! when it was time to actually sell them the group purchase was Much cheaper than it is now and for your information You can not go directly to the manufacture and buy them "Cheaper" Here I will do some actual math for you so you can understand better. They sell them for $268.00 + $20 for the LED flasher = $288.00 and if you or Anyone looks on our web site they will see them for $279.00 WITH the LED flasher INCLUDED!
The very same thing happened to me too when I started to sell the LED lights "as a group purchase" on tb.kom then another vendor done the same thing to me and Shane made me become a vendor.
Could that be because you ARE a vendor? As far as your group purchase.... you feel you were wrong by another vendor acting as a bully... so now that you're in the protected class, you get to do it to me? Classy!
At 5% more, I'd rather buy directly from the manufacturer. It's worth $11 to me to get them faster and/or eliminate the middleman if there's a problem.
Bottom line is you found a post of mine that said 'bolt kit' and you flexed your paying vendor muscles (thinking it would be anonymous) and had my 'competing' thread deleted. What's really shitty of you is having my thread deleted when my bolt kits weren't even competing with your cosmetic dress-up shit.
All you did was irritate me, show your true colors, and slow down (or possibly kill) bringing a new product(s) to the Buick world.
Earl I look forward to meeting you sometime, hopefully at the next Buick event!
Don't hold your breath.
The only way you'll meet me is I don't know who I'm being introduced to. There's a short list of people I won't have around me and right now you're one of them.
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I wasn't invited!!!!!!! :013:
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If your smart enough you will see the Date when that thread was posted about the bolt kit that Coach has been putting together for the last month or so plus he is doing all his engine too so I'm sure those will be available soon. It is True I Never sold a single bolt kit at any show or even online until now, believe what you want.
Yes it's also true that I Never seen or heard of your thread about the pistons and Charlie can vouch because he is the one who actually told me about it. so Yeah I breezed right by it and never seen it or noticed it.
Want your little thread reinstated go ask the fucking people who removed it!! I was just the person who pointed it out, THEY were the ones who got rid of it NOT ME! If you were Smart enough you could have contacted a supporting vendor to sell your bolt kits for you just like a bunch of the other members do like "Coach" who is putting together the bolt kits that we are selling them for him on our web site and on the board!!!! :) That is how it's properly done if you don't want to pay vendor fee's!!!
It's pretty simple really,
1) If either Jay or Shane were okay with you selling them, then why the hell wasn't there a post by either of them stating so in your thread?
2) Why didn't you go to a vendor to have them sell your bolt kits for you and avoid this mess?
3) At the very least, Why didn't YOU post in your thread what the hell the proceeds were going to fund?
I'm done here and look forward to introducing myself to you at a Buick event. Yes I will be that guy that you don't know who your being introduced to. This way you will see I don't like hiding behind people or a keyboard!!
Have a nice day Prick!
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Now that my name has been dragged in here I'd like to clarify that I told Scott about the piston thread and what you were intending to do with the profits from the bolt sales. This is after the fact and in no way was I involved in removing your thread Earl.
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Now that my name has been dragged in here I'd like to clarify that I told Scott about the piston thread and what you were intending to do with the profits from the bolt sales. This is after the fact and in no way was I involved in removing your thread Earl.
True and this was after Shane already knew... but he still got rid of his thread and Shane & Jay have make the decision to delete or keep threads, I guess they decided to delete it...
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I guess some things Never Change!! :chin:
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Now that my name has been dragged in here I'd like to clarify that I told Scott about the piston thread and what you were intending to do with the profits from the bolt sales. This is after the fact and in no way was I involved in removing your thread Earl.
I know you didn't Charlie. I tend to believe what was in the lengthy conversation between Jay and I over what Scot says here. There's discrepancies between the two versions and Jay's is the one with no holes.
Jay got irritated at the drama too and he and I sorted it out. Bottom line, like I said earlier. Scot wins because he pays the board and outranks the rest of us (even the one's that help make the board worth visiting for help). He earns a living selling shit to the people that visit the board and I don't.
Scot, so now I have to be sponsored by a paying vendor in order to dump extra parts along with posting a caveat at the bottom just for you with the intentions of what I'm doing with the money?
I do find it funny that you've been going on and on about not being in the bolt business... and now you mention that you're going to sell a kits that Coach is building on your very website along with the underhood cosmetic kits you've already posted about..... Both of which came to light after you had my thread deleted.
From the timeline this is how it looks. I listed a couple kits on TB a while back (even a moderator bought one of them!) and there was no problem whatsoever. Shortly after that, you decide you're going to go in the bolt kit business and find a thread of mine... You flex your 'paying vendor status' to the Jay and Shane and get my thread deleted under a cloak of anonymity.
You weren't first to market, and you aren't assembling something nicer than my stuff. YOU WIN because you pay the powers that be. If that makes me a prick, so be it. Personally I think it's a chickenshit way to do business.
and now I'm not only a skirting vendor, but a prick as well. It's times like these I'm glad I have a life.
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Scot, Here's what I really don't understand...
You are a paying vendor that makes a living selling Buick parts and pays a Buick Board to sell parts there... I'm just a person with free time on my hands between jobs trying to do something cool for the Buick community.
I have NOTHING to do with your bottom line yet you had to follow me over here, sign up, and start slinging shit with me. (that kind of stuff can get you banned in certain .koms)
Are you under the impression that this is going to cause your business to go up? Are you under the impression this will generate sales?
Lets say you succeed in making me look bad? How in the hell will that benefit you or your business? You don't seen to be the least bit worried some of this mud slinging might stick to you.
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If you're selling surplus parts it's not a big deal Earl, but if you're manufacturing (making kits) then that's when Shane stops it. There was even 1 guy that was buying and re-selling at a higher price. I looked at one of his threads and the guy he bought the parts from a week ago got into it with him. There's a lot of buying and selling going on and if it's parts you don't need or want that's one thing, but if you're manufacturing kits or parts specifically for resale that's when you get hit with being a vendor.
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There were extras Charlie. It wouldn't make sense to convert them back to money and then $100's in replacement bolts. That wouldn't have left me any money to do the piston prototypes.
No one asked me before deleted the thread but I'm 99% sure I mentioned they were extras when I listed the ad. You might be able to use your super moderator powers to look and see. I can't see it anymore.
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Have you tried doing a search under your name in the for sale section Earl?
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It wasn't locked Charlie. It was deleted.
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If it's deleted I may not be able to find it Earl. There's some deletions that I can't read or find.
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all I'm gonna say before I move on to the next thread is that it sure is nice to have a buick forum that doesn't start acting all mommy and daddy on a couple guys that have no problem wanting to go at it for a bit in their own thread. If I don't like it, I can click out.
I respect and understand why some sites are ran the way they are with the whole censorship and rules thing, but its just nice to have options. Here I got some very smart tech guys to tell me how to get my buick running optimum without spending tons of $$$, even though I go ahead spending $$$ anyway cause I'm a dipshit (http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/Smileys/default/icon_eyes.gif)
I can also say "shit" here, even though cussing shows my lack of intelect.
I don't have to worry about getting censored or banned because I vent a issue I have with another member or a buick vendor.
and it also has a the most kick-ass buick an babe thread (http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/Smileys/default/icon_super.gif) where else you gonna see that much naked ass with buicks only?
thank you supasix for giving us a option! (http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/Smileys/default/038.gif)
The owners of tb.com are true buick enthusiast, and good guys in my book, and I'm glad they and their site is around, but its just nice to have options.
Scot I'm glad you do what you do. Earl I'm glad you do what you do.
I'm outta here (http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/Smileys/default/atbeer.gif)
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This thread sounds like two third grade girls at recess. Damn hard to tell one from the other. Maybe Earl and Scott should try to get night jobs as writers for the Muppet Show :icon_kidra: This "she said, he said" business gets old after while.
C'mon, Earl! Did you not expect for Scott to come over here after you called him names? I was surprised it took as long as it did for the word to filter back.
And you cannot tell me that you were truly surprised that you were told that you could not sell new stuff over there once it got to the big dogs' attention. It's not your first rodeo in that arena.
We all know that the board is run strictly for the benefit of vendors and I really have no problem with it other than they tend to protect some vendors that could not stay in business on a level playing field. Most of the big boards subsist on vendor advertising fees. Shane seems to be a nice guy from what most of my friends that get out tell me and he is just carrying on an old family tradition as far as that board is concerned.
Invoking third parties that are not present to substantiate arguments is not really kosher by either side in any dispute unless everyone is in the room at the same time and, in my experience, would not necessarily bring forth the truth anyway because often people tell people what they want to hear rather than the simple facts of the matter to avoid more discussion.
Earl, we all know you are not a vendor but it does not matter because you got called one. It does not matter if you were getting rid of extras to finance a piston set or a blow job. Either reason might be admirable but you did not pass the smell test over there and, again, it should not be a surprise.
It really does not matter whether Scott ever dreamed up the idea of selling bolt kits before you tried to dispose of your extras over there, or not. It is what it is. As I said, why are you surprised? I never took you for one that would believe life was fair or the playing field was level-particularly the playing field you decided to play on. You are one of the smartest guys I know so it's hard to believe you are surprised by the turn of events.
It's time to move on. I never had a problem with Scott and I think you are one of the best guys around. BUT....this quoting and replying, line by line, is descending past the level of sublime down to the childishly ridiculous. There is nothing to be won and there are no winners.
If we stop now and take a vote, there probably won't be a clear cut victor, it is just another case of my daddy can whip your daddy at this point. No one is gonna hook up the lie detectors and figure out what really happened.
Time to lick the respective wounds and move on :cheers: I love youse guys! :cheers:
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Well said.
This thread has run it's course, I believe.
The thread will of course remain open, any and all may post - but I see diminished returns at this point, also - no need to bring in other parties in some "he said/she said", unless they are active members of this message board.
I would hope that all members of IHADAV8.com keep personal communications between all parties just that - personal.
Grassy-ass
Mark
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I agree with damn near everything you've said Steve. (the line by line thing is obnoxious too. Try typing it out and keeping thoughts organized and linear. It sucks! :) )
I realized while typing this, it's a carryover from my real life. Those that have been around me in real life know that I tolerate zero drama. I don't even care how fine a nice piece of ass is, you take in a deep breath and gear up for some BS.... your ass is gone. Unfortunately for me, I can't help people following me around on the internets.
I will admit I hated the method but I did enjoy learning the tidbits to fill in the blanks.
I believe this is going to settle down soon.
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For what it's worth Earl, I didn't follow anyone around on the internets! I first joined here back when this board was started as GNS Performance and had forgotten my password so I had to register again. I just didn't register here again to follow you.......... :rolleyes;
I originally came here because Charlie told me about the thread started here for Clay and while reading the posts I simply ran across your name calling BS and "That's what started it".... Until then there was absolutely no problem... I am not the kind of person who is going to sit back and let someone call me names and belittle my business without recourse.... Still looking forward to meeting you in person Earl...
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Scott, Thanks a million for running the "collection" for Clay. Glad that someone was willing to manage the pot and orchestrate the search for a replacement! That was very kind of you. Hope I sent mine to the right spot :)
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Im.just curious if as a vendor you have to "inform" the powers that be, did you tell.jay or shane about the guy selling runs of intercooler.pi pes? Probaly not bc youre not selling them.yet. :icon_smile:
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Scott, Thanks a million for running the "collection" for Clay. Glad that someone was willing to manage the pot and orchestrate the search for a replacement! That was very kind of you. Hope I sent mine to the right spot :)
ditto! -edit-stupid kindle, let me quote, didn't let me comment--
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Scott, Thanks a million for running the "collection" for Clay. Glad that someone was willing to manage the pot and orchestrate the search for a replacement! That was very kind of you. Hope I sent mine to the right spot :)
Steve it came to the right place and we thank you for your donation. :023:
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Im.just curious if as a vendor you have to "inform" the powers that be, did you tell.jay or shane about the guy selling runs of intercooler.pi pes? Probaly not bc youre not selling them.yet. :icon_smile:
Look it's not like im like Charlie who lives on that board following everything possible, I think since I joined in 2005 I might have mentioned only 2 people to Jay and Earl is one of them... To answer your question..Nope because I can not take 100% out of my day to police a board FOR the powers that be. Like I said before Shane has mentioned to me that IF we happen to run across someone manufacturing parts or products that is not a vendor to let him know... I helped and that was it... If Shane or Jay had any arrangements with that person it is entirely up to them to do what they want with that thread..
Earl now has his thread back up just so everyone knows! Earl mentioned to Shane & Jay that he is just selling of "Extras" and that is the Only reason I was told that it's back up....
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Um...I don't "live" on the board Scott. My puter stays on and I'm always logged in, just like Jay is. While it may appear that I'm on there 24/7 I'm actually doing other things and since I don't believe in web cameras you just don't wee everything I do. This week I've been polishing some 5.56 brass, a 5 gallon bucket and 7 30 cal cans full of it. Once it's all polished I've got to size and decap, the swage the primer pockets before I load it and sell some. :tongue My motor mounts were also finished this week so I can set the engine and tranny in place and get the angles right. :icon_fU:
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I simply ran across your name calling BS and "That's what started it".... Until then there was absolutely no problem... I am not the kind of person who is going to sit back and let someone call me names and belittle my business without recourse.... Still looking forward to meeting you in person Earl...
Not true at all. There was a problem when your predatory tactics drug me into defending myself against you hiding behind moderators. I didn't belittle your business at all. That insult was purely personal with no mention of whatever your website is (I honestly never remember the URL). The recourse was me standing up for myself.
Dude, seriously... What is your deal? I'm privy to knowledge that you don't know I have. You're posting indicates that you're assUming I only know what's posted. That's not true at all.
You getting my thread deleted was a mistake that slipped through the cracks.
Your first story here was that Shane forces you to police the board... Your second story here was that you would have "let it slide if you know I was raising money for pistons"....
...the third story you posted here was that someone else was building bolt kits that you plan on selling for profit. (third time is a charm I guess).
I unknowingly beat you to the market and you flexed your 'paying vendor' muscles so that you could stifle the market until you got your ducks in a row. I have no respect for those tactics. All that does is slow down progress in our already slow niche market.
You weren't interested in being first; you weren't interested in building a better mousetrap; you chose to stifle the market until someone else could do what I did two years ago. And try and hide behind a cloak of anonymity while doing it.
I haven no idea how many other times you tried this, but in this instance it didn't work.
On the upside for the Buick community, I've absorbed a lot of energy while the facts were coming out and the Buick community is going to benefit from this energy soon.
...as I proofread this post I realized that I spent the evening in a field with click-click chairs, a BANGIN' 21 year old, a case of beers and the Perseid meteor shower.
Man it's nice to have a life. (http://www.ihadav8.com/forum/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Mark, time to shut this thread down...it's going nowhere
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On a side note I see the bolt for sale thread is restored. ..
Atleast it was this morning when I checked with tapatalk. . 8)
Sent from my SPH-L900 using Tapatalk 2
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Mark, time to shut this thread down...it's going nowhere
I thought they would get the hint.
Earl/Scot
Rehash this shit via email, PM, phone, the squared circle - I don't care.
Is that clear enough?
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well ya Did give them their own thread and told them to discuss it out.....
jus'sayin :icon_eyes:
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Sure - its been discussed. But it gets to a point where a thread is just the same shit repeated over and over...