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Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: 87natty on January 24 2006, 12:56:49 AM

Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: 87natty on January 24 2006, 12:56:49 AM: Alright kids, here's the article from the February 2006 about the all aftermarket Buick motor they made. My gripe? $35,000 for 700hp? I hope he can sit down after that reaming...

"Back From the Dead"
Hot Rod Magazine, February 2006
Story: Marlan Davis
Photos: Marlan Davis and T/A Performance

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Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Be4u on January 24 2006, 10:10:03 AM: I wonder whos going to be the first to own that?
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Top Speed on January 24 2006, 12:43:16 PM: Man I would love to have one of those for my car - if someone buys it for me!!
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: sun dog on January 25 2006, 03:23:55 AM: Nice, but since it's not stock anymore at that point, I'd spend half of that and go with a 572 crate motor.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: SinistrV6 on January 25 2006, 10:47:59 AM: Quote from: "Be4u @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:10 am"
I wonder whos going to be the first to own that?

Not sure who the owner is but according to the article it's going in a sand rail! :eek: [schild=18 fontcolor=FF0000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]HOLY SHIT![/schild]
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Recklessrob on January 25 2006, 12:52:02 PM: I doubt that theres any connection, but Jason Cramer is into sand rails.
I'm sure that there must be some kind of misprint though. $35,000 for
700 hp ! I've seen guys spend half that for twice the hp. TA rates those
blocks for 3,000 hp, but nobody has ever proven that. I have no doubts
that Kenny can do better than 700 hp.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Be4u on January 25 2006, 04:04:44 PM: Quote from: "SinistrV6 @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 7:47 am"
Quote from: "Be4u @ Tue Jan 24, 2006 9:10 am"
I wonder whos going to be the first to own that?

Not sure who the owner is but according to the article it's going in a sand rail! :eek: [schild=18 fontcolor=FF0000 shadowcolor=C0C0C0 shieldshadow=1]HOLY SHIT![/schild]
Oh yeah, I remember that. I'm not exactly sure what a sand rail is but if there like the huge go-carts (no disrespect) they run on the riverbeds... :rofl; DAAAAM!!!

I think, in the future, thoes guys are going to make "there is no replacement for displacement" a myth.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Recklessrob on January 26 2006, 02:09:41 AM: With any kind of boosted type of application, you're actually
increasing displacement. I remember reading somewhere, that
a 231cid Buick V6 @ 16 lbs of boost is equivalent to a 488cid
naturally aspirated big block because they both are moving the same
volume of air.
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: 87natty on January 26 2006, 02:38:10 AM: Yup! I forgot what racing series puts them in the same class as big blocks, I think it's IHRA.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Recklessrob on January 26 2006, 02:45:58 AM: Even in naturaly aspirated form, they ran with V8's in the Busch Series.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Be4u on January 26 2006, 03:58:40 AM: Damn y'all, thats hella interesting. I'm going to go and re-read that.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Be4u on January 26 2006, 04:01:59 AM: I thought the displace.....b ahhh. nevermind. We'll talk about it in April.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: sun dog on January 26 2006, 03:07:36 PM: Quote from: "Recklessrob @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:09 pm"
With any kind of boosted type of application, you're actually
increasing displacement. I remember reading somewhere, that
a 231cid Buick V6 @ 16 lbs of boost is equivalent to a 488cid
naturally aspirated big block because they both are moving the same
volume of air.

There are some good calculators on Jack Merkel's site. The one shows displacement with different boost.

http://www.merkelengines.com/

231 ci with 16lbs = 482.43 ci use the (turbo versus NA) in the menu.

He also has a decent write-up for a LC2 rebuild.
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Recklessrob on January 28 2006, 02:40:33 AM: Quote from: "sun dog @ Thu Jan 26, 2006 3:07 pm"
Quote from: "Recklessrob @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:09 pm"
With any kind of boosted type of application, you're actually
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: 87natty on January 28 2006, 05:09:33 AM: Quote from: "sun dog @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:23 am"
Nice, but since it's not stock anymore at that point, I'd spend half of that and go with a 572 crate motor.

You hillbilly! That damn well better have a Q-Jet on it! BOP style!
Title: Re: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: sun dog on January 28 2006, 11:11:17 AM: Quote from: "87natty @ Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:09 am"
Quote from: "sun dog @ Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:23 am"
Nice, but since it's not stock anymore at that point, I'd spend half of that and go with a 572 crate motor.

You hillbilly! That damn well better have a Q-Jet on it! BOP style!

10-4 GOOD BUDDY!

I call them "ChillBillies"
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Black-Jacket on February 13 2006, 04:49:25 PM: it was a well written article, super hot motor, but the price seems alittle off, block alone is 4g's
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Recklessrob on February 13 2006, 09:36:53 PM: Quote from: "Black-Jacket @ Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:49 pm"
it was a well written article, super hot motor, but the price seems alittle off, block alone is 4g's

I'd say its way off. for what it is. BTW welcome aboard.
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Black-Jacket on February 14 2006, 10:19:21 AM: Quote from: "Recklessrob @ Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:36 pm"
Quote from: "Black-Jacket @ Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:49 pm"
it was a well written article, super hot motor, but the price seems alittle off, block alone is 4g's

I'd say its way off. for what it is.
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: 87natty on February 14 2006, 01:18:00 PM: Eh... GMHTP isn't much of an authoritive rag either.
Title: Hot Rod/Duttweiler T/A block buildup
Post by: Be4u on February 15 2006, 06:38:48 AM: Yo.