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Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 09 2011, 07:38:10 PM
I merged some stuff together on the Combinations section of my site and also linked up the Tuning section.,

I am still struggling with Tuning....in the simplest form, assuming that the car is running correctly, it comes down to running as much boost as possible with as much timing as possible while using the leanest possible air/fuel ratio while being sure there is no timing retard due to detonation being incurred.

I think that is basically what most people want and many are confident they don't have any detonation because they would hear it if there was any.   Yet the bearings, ring lands, etc are hammered when they show pictures of their torn down engines.....go figure...yeah, we don't need no steekin' scantools cause we got ears.... :supz:
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: SuperSix on April 09 2011, 08:50:20 PM
Link please!
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 09 2011, 09:48:31 PM
site is in my sig...click on tuning or combination
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: Scoobum on April 09 2011, 10:28:11 PM
The biggest issue I see at the shop is cars running incorrectly. When these cars show up at the shop...tuning is way down the list of priorities. Thanks for everything you do tho Steve. I'm very appreciative.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 09 2011, 10:41:52 PM
yep...if they ran right, they would run much better...most of the logs we see published usually indicate some problem.

I have a lot of proof reading to do because I tried to use some stuff I had written before that may be out of date...or I just never read it  :D
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 09 2011, 11:22:55 PM
thinking about it...I think I can sort it out better tomorrow...if I can remember what I am thinking now :D

Dropping about ten pounds on my toe this afternoon is not helping my thought processes
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: daveismissing on April 09 2011, 11:50:00 PM
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:22 pm"

Dropping about ten pounds on my toe this afternoon is not helping my thought processes


Texas sized mickey?
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: ULYCYC on April 10 2011, 07:22:45 AM
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:22 pm"
thinking about it...I think I can sort it out better tomorrow...if I can remember what I am thinking now :D

Dropping about ten pounds on my toe this afternoon is not helping my thought processes


That's how the main caps feel when you have 30 deg. of knock :rolleyes:
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 09:38:51 AM
well, that is two toes on that foot that will never be fixed by a pedicure.
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: challengermike on April 10 2011, 09:56:25 AM
a couple years ago i dropped a 4 speed flywheel on my toes off my work bench,man that hurts.I sure looked like a idiot dancing around the drivway in pain.lol
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: gordyzx9r on April 10 2011, 10:02:51 AM
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:38 pm"
I merged some stuff together on the Combinations section of my site and also linked up the Tuning section.,

I am still struggling with Tuning....in the simplest form, assuming that the car is running correctly, it comes down to running as much boost as possible with as much timing as possible while using the leanest possible air/fuel ratio while being sure there is no timing retard due to detonation being incurred.

I think that is basically what most people want and many are confident they don't have any detonation because they would hear it if there was any.
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: SuperSix on April 10 2011, 10:28:31 AM
Quote from: "gordyzx9r @ Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:02 am"
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:38 pm"
I merged some stuff together on the Combinations section of my site and also linked up the Tuning section.,

I am still struggling with Tuning....in the simplest form, assuming that the car is running correctly, it comes down to running as much boost as possible with as much timing as possible while using the leanest possible air/fuel ratio while being sure there is no timing retard due to detonation being incurred.

I think that is basically what most people want and many are confident they don't have any detonation because they would hear it if there was any.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: daveismissing on April 10 2011, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:38 am"
well, that is two toes on that foot that will never be fixed by a pedicure.


Sorry I made joke of it- Broken?
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 11:22:23 AM
might as well laugh about it....crying did not help! :D  I am limping pretty good but can make it to the shop.

I don't think this one is broken...I had already broken the other one and forever ruined the nail a few years back in a karate tournament.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 11:29:32 AM
I hacked at the tuning section again this morning...thre w out some old stuff and tried to update it a bit....got some more ideas but, I get to going in circles after a bit.

I am trying to do it ala An idiots guide...but I can never get it dumb enuf

After 25 years of Buicks, it all seems too simple to me and I find it hard to go thru the thought process.

heck, at my age, I cannot go thru any thought process...even simple ones like buy milk when you buy Oreos
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: DCEPTCN on April 10 2011, 01:31:54 PM
Quote from: "daveismissing @ Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:50 pm"
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:22 pm"

Dropping about ten pounds on my toe this afternoon is not helping my thought processes


Texas sized mickey?
As long as it wasn't a baby...
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 02:10:51 PM
if it was, it would grow up to be Iron Man
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 02:12:42 PM
http://www.vortexbuicks-etc.com/TuningBasics.htm#Engine_Tuning

http://www.vortexbuicks-etc.com/combinationexamples.htm
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: gordyzx9r on April 10 2011, 05:45:12 PM
Quote from: "SuperSix @ Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:28 am"
AKA Turbobuicks.co m


I'd rather it was more like gnttype.org than tbs.com.  Less discussion/fluff and more straightforwar d "how to" information, but obviously kept up to date.  

ATR & Kenne Bell both had fairly easy to follow "how to" guides that they published for "spring cleaning" and basic tuning procedures.  Though I think they were written pre-scan master and obviously pre-Power Logger.  I wish I had an "expert" near me that was good with Power Logger and tuning and I'd take a week off of work to get proficient with it.  

I'm a pilot, so I naturally gravitate towards "check list" by the numbers procedures rather than the discussions that take place on the forums.  And pictures help to :phpbbt; I always feel more comfortable seeing someone/participating with them hands on for this kind of stuff rather than jumping into head first on my own.  Though, that's probably because I'm so scared the car is gonna blow up after I touch it with a wrench.

My father's nickname for me growing up was Dr. Destructo because anything mechanical I touched would break, explode, implode or just mysteriously stop doing whatever it was intended to do.
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: daveismissing on April 10 2011, 05:54:35 PM
Quote from: "gordyzx9r @ Sun Apr 10, 2011 4:45 pm"

I'd rather it was more like gnttype.org than tbs.com.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Scoobum on April 10 2011, 06:13:05 PM
Quote from: "Steve Wood @ Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:29 am"
I hacked at the tuning section again this morning...thre w out some old stuff and tried to update it a bit....got some more ideas but, I get to going in circles after a bit.

I am trying to do it ala An idiots guide...but I can never get it dumb enuf

After 25 years of Buicks, it all seems too simple to me and I find it hard to go thru the thought process.

heck, at my age, I cannot go thru any thought process...even simple ones like buy milk when you buy Oreos


I guarantee you'll never get it dumb enuf for me. Seriously tho, I've been checking it out and you've done a great job of updating it.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 06:28:11 PM
some things, like setting cam, crank, iac, tps, etc.  I have provided step by step instructions for.

Tuning, combinations, and such...those are very gray areas.

I reworked the tuning section today trying to simplify the approach..part icularly for street cars giving some guidelines that I have recognized over the years...not the only approach, just kinda my thought process.  

One has to help himself by trying to learn what the various scantool parameters actually mean and I tried to do that in the Scantool section and in the Basic section.

There is so much interaction between various components that it is difficult to dumb down for dummies and there lies the problem.  Some people are interested in learning how things work and other people just want a fast car without putting any effort into it.

I am doing my best to help the first while hoping the second will find someone that will do it for them

I am sure it is somewhat a generational problem.  Old guys like me usually started out with something old and worn out and we had to fix it and pay for it in order to drive it so we started on the ground floor.   Today, guys start out with computers and not old cars...just a different environment.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 10 2011, 08:43:32 PM
okay...I put an abreviated write up on tps and iac adjustment under How To's for those that did  not want to read how they work in the Basics section

I admit to being less than consistent, but I also admit that I am to old to seriously entertain a reform movement. :D
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: Scoobum on April 10 2011, 10:28:49 PM
I'm pouting. I clicked on Doorslammers The Chassis Book...and it came up JEGS.
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: daveismissing on April 10 2011, 10:36:08 PM
Combos
replace
http://www.rennie-macintosh.com/techarea/misc/lubrant.html
with
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/misc/lubrant.html
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 11 2011, 12:15:35 AM
strange...I will fix it tomorrow.  May be some other links that are now dead, but, that one should be consistent....

I appreciate it!
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 11 2011, 03:48:27 PM
took the link out for the book...it is available at amazon and other car places...but, geez, it is now 80 bux or so...time for another printing, I think
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: SuperSix on April 11 2011, 04:45:30 PM
I think Steve's site will be my bible once I get the new GN.
Title: combinations and tuning
Post by: Steve Wood on April 11 2011, 05:24:58 PM
the cars can make you take up religion
Title: Re: combinations and tuning
Post by: Wrecked Em on April 11 2011, 08:13:04 PM
Feel free to use this as needed. I combined a few things I found and tweaked them to my liking.

http://www.hotairbuick.com/techfiles/conversioncharts.xls

I have a link to it on HotAirBuick on the links page under technical information.
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