IHADAV8.com - Turbo Buick Tech, and Nonsense
Tech Area => General Buick Tech => Topic started by: tb3 on December 17 2010, 06:14:14 PM
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settle a argument.
i'm talking bang for buck on typical stock drive train car with just minor bolt-ons. running pump gas on the street.
a ta-49 new, can be pretty expensive depending on who you buy from. but a smart buyer can usually grab one that needs to be redone for $200-$300, and have it gone through for around $200, depending if wheels need to be replaced, of course.
for a direct bolt on, you can't come anywhere near beating that for price, correct?
is there anything else out there that can compare?
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altho, I prefer the TE44, basically, you are right...as long as one is running higher boost....which takes alky or race gas=of course that takes larger injectors, so like anything, it is never quite that simple :)
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What about the billet version of that? Besides it's price I'm sure it's pretty wicked.
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What practical advantage would a billet turbo have? I cant see a need aside from looks.
Steve?
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They spool faster and along with them Precision started porting the shrouds to reduce the flutter that shortens turbo life.
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for the cost, there is not much benefit to the average street car. As he said, they spool a bit quicker.
Altho we don't port the shrouds as frequently as the ricers, that is a benefit that is very nice on the larger turbos, or even some of the smaller ones that have larger intercoolers and at bad problem with compressor surge.
When trying to accelerate at light throttle and the compressor starts stalling because it is in the surge zone, it can feel like a wet dog shaking with some combos
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Nice - thanks for the info
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th billet ta49 is expensive.
what was your reason for preference on the te44 steve? I think I saw you talk about that before, but can't remember
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altho, I prefer the TE44, basically, you are right...as long as one is running higher boost....which takes alky or race gas=of course that takes larger injectors, so like anything, it is never quite that simple :)
I thought the 44 and the 49 were basically the same but the 49 had a removable inlet bell and the 44 didn't ?
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The t49 or 44 will get you 11's without much effort even if you still have old tech shit on your car. You just have to know how to pick whats good and what will make the vendors eat bigger steaks :D
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The TA49 is a stock appearing unit that bolts straight on and uses the stock actuator without any mods.
The TE series has a slightly larger compressor housing/wheel than the TA so it can make a hair more power if everything is right. The larger housing means the actuator bracket holes don't quite line up so you have to use only one bolt to hold it on, modify the bracket a bit, or use an adapter bracket to mate the original to the housing.
As I said above, I don't see the cost of a billet for a street car, but, then I am being practical because I don't hang out at the WAWA and talk shit. :D
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...and you don't sell billet turbos!
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Excellent point...but, I would make a lousy vendor because I don't believe in selling people what they don't need...
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As I said above, I don't see the cost of a billet for a street car, but, then I am being practical because I don't hang out at the WAWA and talk shit.
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LOL
I wonder what happened to Travis?
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The t49 or 44 will get you 11's without much effort even if you still have old tech shit on your car. You just have to know how to pick whats good and what will make the vendors eat bigger steaks :D
A buddy of mine ran 11.46 @ 26 psi with pretty much the same setup that i have
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Altho I have seen some do even more, that is pretty much perfect for most of us on a 49. Guys are always talking about wanting to run tens...but, how many times will you ever be outrun on the street if you have an eleven second car?
Only the serious guys do that and there are not that many guys that hardcore.
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The t49 or 44 will get you 11's without much effort even if you still have old tech shit on your car. You just have to know how to pick whats good and what will make the vendors eat bigger steaks :D
A buddy of mine ran 11.46 @ 26 psi with pretty much the same setup that i have
I saw a 49 do 10.98 without a tone of boost and pacecarta doing the tuning it came out of the hloe slow but man it hauled ass after the 60' mark
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I like the 44 also,who makes the adapter bracket for the boost actuator :question; I have 1 bolt in mine but the adapter sounds good :tonqe:
Kevin
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think I got one from limit...should be a picture on my site under How tos
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Thanks :cool;
Kevin
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I have to go with steve on this one.I also like the 44 ,11's on a v6 perrty tuff to beat made alot of ford guys believers!!
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11's on a v6 perrty tuff to beat made alot of ford guys believers!!
I get a lot of people asking me if I think I could beat a ____ or asking if they think I could keep up with a _____. They're all virtually stock V8's. One is a stock CTS-V. A friend of mine talks a mad game about how he's going to beat me in his 68' Bel-Air that ran 12's last I knew.
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i have a 2006 monte carlo ss with the ls4 5.3 308 hp as a daily driver has good power 22 mpg but will not outrun my t tpye
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11's on a v6 perrty tuff to beat made alot of ford guys believers!!
I get a lot of people asking me if I think I could beat a ____ or asking if they think I could keep up with a _____. They're all virtually stock V8's. One is a stock CTS-V. A friend of mine talks a mad game about how he's going to beat me in his 68' Bel-Air that ran 12's last I knew.
so? in one ear out the other..
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11's on a v6 perrty tuff to beat made alot of ford guys believers!!
I get a lot of people asking me if I think I could beat a ____ or asking if they think I could keep up with a _____. They're all virtually stock V8's. One is a stock CTS-V. A friend of mine talks a mad game about how he's going to beat me in his 68' Bel-Air that ran 12's last I knew.
so? in one ear out the other..
LOL
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11's on a v6 perrty tuff to beat made alot of ford guys believers!!
I get a lot of people asking me if I think I could beat a ____ or asking if they think I could keep up with a _____. They're all virtually stock V8's. One is a stock CTS-V. A friend of mine talks a mad game about how he's going to beat me in his 68' Bel-Air that ran 12's last I knew.
so? in one ear out the other..
Yes
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The t49 or 44 will get you 11's without much effort even if you still have old tech shit on your car. You just have to know how to pick whats good and what will make the vendors eat bigger steaks :D
A buddy of mine ran 11.46 @ 26 psi with pretty much the same setup that i have
I saw a 49 do 10.98 without a tone of boost and pacecarta doing the tuning it came out of the hloe slow but man it hauled ass after the 60' mark
stock converter?
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The t49 or 44 will get you 11's without much effort even if you still have old tech shit on your car. You just have to know how to pick whats good and what will make the vendors eat bigger steaks :D
A buddy of mine ran 11.46 @ 26 psi with pretty much the same setup that i have
I saw a 49 do 10.98 without a tone of boost and pacecarta doing the tuning it came out of the hloe slow but man it hauled ass after the 60' mark
stock converter?
No Protorque 32-3400 on the car i know that ran 10.98 go to tbs in the magna section look up jhuber he has a video of it in his sig
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Mike Schoenfeldt went 11.25 in a TTA with a stock converter and a PT51 which is slightly larger than a 49....probably between a 49 and a 60 if I recall correctly
Lean and some timing in first helps
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I've never taken my car to the track, it's more of a sunny day cruiser for me... but TA-49 turbo w/ .63 exh housing at 24 psi, 50lb MSD injectors, alky, dutt neck... pig rich tune... still hauls ass all day long. Couldn't ask for anything more.
TA-49 is still king as far as I'm concerned. :smt029
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:psix; :psix;
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The t49 or 44 will get you 11's without much effort even if you still have old tech shit on your car. You just have to know how to pick whats good and what will make the vendors eat bigger steaks :D
A buddy of mine ran 11.46 @ 26 psi with pretty much the same setup that i have
I saw a 49 do 10.98 without a tone of boost and pacecarta doing the tuning it came out of the hloe slow but man it hauled ass after the 60' mark
stock converter?
Nope,we both have a 9.5" Multi-Disc Vigilante Converter..... .
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I miss my TA-49 and T-type. mid 11's @ 116-118 all day.
Had people come over looking for nitrous, since I blew by them at half track like they were standing still. They were pissed to find a V6 and usually called bull shit when I told them it didn't even have a posi :finga:
The 49 was almost to violent on the street - I remember passing someone was an issue. 24psi on tap instantly would burn cold drag radials at 60mph+.
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I miss my TA-49 and T-type.
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My TTA runs high 11.40's at 120+ mph with mid to high 1.6 60ft times with a TA49.... Stock unopened motor, stock downpipe, 50lb injectors, 2800 stall 9/11 L/U convertor, & M/T drag radials... This is at 26psi with a TT race chip... there is a little more left in the tune and 60 ft but I'm not going there...
My GN ran low 11.20's on a te-44 with 009's but it had ported heads, 212/212 cam, 3000 stall 9inch convertor and a downpipe...
with this kind of performance from "old school" turbos I've never bothered to even look at the "newer" ones...
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An efficient, smaller diameter converter can really help as well....12" converters start getting really inefficient as the vanes get bent further trying to up the stall.
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The 44 is still available from Cottons...and is available with a BB option. The 49 is available from Kirbans...with a $75.00 core charge. The billet 5857E supercedes the 44 and 49...and is available in a BB or jounal configuration.